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re: 5* Greg Little

Posted on 10/29/15 at 9:08 am to
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68675 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Why is Little so high on Ole Miss?



Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25311 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 9:17 am to
quote:

Why is Little so high on Ole Miss?


Cynical answer:



Actual (worse) answer:

Tunsil leaving
Ole Miss is good @ recruiting and has made Texas a priority recently
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
51137 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 9:26 am to
Thanks
Posted by Whereisomaha
Member since Feb 2010
17939 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 10:23 am to
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One good class every four years doesn't "scare" anyone in the SEC. You're finding out why this year.


Then there wouldnt be a thread started daily about the '13 class. People who believe everyone cheats wouldnt claim OM is going down if they werent a little scared. If you break it down and think about it, no the elite school's should be "scared". If you averaged our last 4 or 5 recruiting classes, the ones that make up this current team, we average a 21 ranked recruiting class. That isnt just overwhelming talent, but enough to compete and beat a good team. It explains why our team is so on and off. We have elite talent at positions just dont have the depth at everyone of them, yet.

The problem the '13 class had in accomplishing goals that have never been accomplished at OM is that there isnt enough talent around them. The '16 class will have much more talent to aid them in their goals. There are plenty of hurdles to overcome when recruiting players to OM, but one is about to be eliminated. In four years, we have put two guys in the league. We've gone from 2 to wins to 7, 8, 9 wins with only 2 NFL players. Now we have players to show recruits who Freeze put in the league.
Posted by tigerclaws15
Member since Jan 2007
3482 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 10:31 am to
You dont go to ole miss to win championships. Its either money, white girls or wants to pass block for Shea Patterson.
Posted by reggierayreb
Germantown
Member since Nov 2012
17004 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 10:33 am to
if Moncrief doesn't declare early we would've gone back to back drafts without having a single player drafted... I hate Hootie Dale Nutt so damn much.

Posted by Whereisomaha
Member since Feb 2010
17939 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 10:52 am to
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Ole Miss and its recruiting relevance baffles me. Talk about a mediocre school in terms of on-field performance. They've won 10 games once in 50 years of college football and that was the year Eli Manning was the QB and LSU won the National Championship.

They're closer to their last 10-Loss season (2011) than they are their last 10-win season (2003).


First off, kids do not care what happened a decade ago. Tradition means nothing to them. They live in the now.

Secondly, what we did in 2011, when this staff was not here, is not a negative, but a positive in recruiting. Look how far they have brought this program in just 4 years.

Third, Freeze was Oregeron's recruiting coordinator. He learned from the best.

Fourth, the big time programs want to believe that kids care about tradition or that kids care about championships won in the past. Those are nice feathers in your cap, and for a lot of kids, you have to prove to them that there is at least a shot at winning at title at your school, but these kids are narcissistic. They believe that they themselves can win a title for teams that are almost there, like us. They also want to be remembered forever instead of being just another team. We have street signs for players who won 10 games. Winning 10 games at LSU is just another season. You do something special at OM, you are a god forever in Oxford.

Fifth, The two most important things kids care about after relationships with the coach are playing time and getting to the league. We have been able to sell playing time much more so than the LSU's and Bama's of the world.

6th, we have not exactly recruited elite year in and year out. I hope we get there, but we have only done something special the one year that we have the #1 player in the country's brother. It also was the same year that we had placed a 5* juco in MS. Treadwell was a lowly recruited 4* before he blew up and it was too late for everyone that wasnt on him earlier. His top 3 were Michigan, Okie Lite, and OM. His favorite was Michigan but they did not even invite momma on the trip, who was making the decision. It got out that he canceled out Michigan for that reason and OSU and OM recruited the hell out of momma. In the end, LT went to the SEC school that had the #1 player in the country headed their way. Tony Connor was 20 miles away, and we were the only school willing to give Laremy Tunsil's step brother a full ride who did not have an offer anywhere. The only other player in that class that doesnt make perfect sense is Austin Golson, who was not recruited by Bama or Auburn until the end and he ended transferring back to the school that hurt his feelings. The past two classes do not have a single kid that didnt have MS or player ties to it. If you break down our recruiting classes, you realize why the recruits chose OM. If you look at it from afar then its easy to come up with conspiracy theories. Do yall really think OM boosters spend more than Bama's, Auburn's or FSU's? Of course not. Then why is money what is making these kids come to OM if everyone is cheating?

Lastly, if you read recruiting articles you get a picture of whats important to kids. Its not your history, its not your past success under a different coach. It is relationships with the coaches, playing time, can you get me to the league, can you win big, facilities, and campus life. All recruits are different but generally thats in order is what most important. We have a shitty stadium, but the facility that players spend the majority of time in, IPF, is one of the nation's best. Freeze is extremely personable and recruits his arse off. He has not proved you can win big, but has improved that he can take a team from 2 wins to 9 wins and a BCS equivalent bowl in 3 years. And OM has the best campus lifestyle to offer. The only combination of college town, women, and beautiful campus, (OM has ranked 1st in the SEC in all 3) is UGA. The reason Freeze has not recruited elite year in and year out is because he lacks in NFL players (about to change) and our stadium (expanded renovated next year, but still not elite).
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:21 am to
quote:

If you break it down and think about it, no the elite school's should be "scared". If you averaged our last 4 or 5 recruiting classes, the ones that make up this current team, we average a 21 ranked recruiting class.


This is the point I was making. OM has put together some solid classes, but it's still not consistent enough to compete for a SEC, or even a West title. That is why no one is "scared" of OM's recruiting success.

OM's class rankings in the SEC (According to 247 composite):

2013 - 5th (4th in West)
2014 - 7th (5th in West)
2015 - 7th (5th in West)
2016 - 4th (3rd in West)


quote:

That isnt just overwhelming talent, but enough to compete and beat a good team. It explains why our team is so on and off. We have elite talent at positions just dont have the depth at everyone of them, yet.


Like you said, OM is recruiting good enough to play the role of spoiler. Until Freeze puts together some consecutive classes that are 1-2 in the SEC, he won't be winning any titles.
Posted by Whereisomaha
Member since Feb 2010
17939 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:29 am to
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ike you said, OM is recruiting good enough to play the role of spoiler. Until Freeze puts together some consecutive classes that are 1-2 in the SEC, he won't be winning any titles.


This is probably just my hopeful bias, but I think you have to recruit 1-2 in the SEC to remain 1-2 in the SEC year in and year out. I think if you put together 3-4 classes that average a top 10 ranking nationally, that one out of three to four years you can win a title, and every year you can compete for one. That's ultimately our goal. We know we can never out recruit Bama and LSU year in and year out. But if you have a team that is made up of top 10 talent instead of #21 talent like we have, and you have the better QB, you can win any game you play. You are right though, if we continue to recruit like we have the past three classes then the stars have to align oh so perfectly for us to win a title. Baby steps.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79448 posts
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:40 am to
Who tries to make sense of the human heart? A kid watches a ball game on tv and finds himself pulling for one team or another. He then visits that school and something bums him out or there is a little magic and it feels either right or wrong. The same way we made decisions when we were 18. Either way, these kids get plugged into a program and either thrive or don't. It's not like any of them lose by getting a scholarship to play SEC ball.
Posted by Badge
oslo
Member since Feb 2013
647 posts
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:12 pm to
Is that the fuhrer over on ED? That guy is such a pathetic pussy.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17542 posts
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:51 pm to
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Is that the fuhrer over on ED? That guy is such a pathetic pussy.


Yeah he is but I personally think of him as more like Jim Jones
Posted by Badge
oslo
Member since Feb 2013
647 posts
Posted on 10/30/15 at 2:13 pm to
Are you coach34 on ED?
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17542 posts
Posted on 10/30/15 at 5:06 pm to
Hell to the NO!!!!

Coonassdawg and croomdawgie....that is a different story....
Posted by Whereisomaha
Member since Feb 2010
17939 posts
Posted on 10/30/15 at 5:51 pm to
Croomdog is just fricking with you guys. He's not serious
Posted by hehatedrew
New Zealand
Member since Oct 2009
25504 posts
Posted on 10/30/15 at 8:36 pm to
True. He's not seriously serious...
Posted by REBEL5 AC
Member since Sep 2012
14737 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:26 pm to
Rebel lock
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17542 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:37 pm to
It is looking very promising
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9057 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

Rebel lock



Posted by SouthMSReb
Member since Dec 2013
4427 posts
Posted on 11/5/15 at 11:19 am to
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