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re: 2013 Alabama Football Recruiting Thread - DH Decommited from UGA
Posted on 2/18/12 at 11:58 pm to BuccWildBammer
Posted on 2/18/12 at 11:58 pm to BuccWildBammer
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WOW!! is all I gotta say, and I'm a film junkie, best HS RB film I've seen since Trent
Just watched the Tyren Jones highlights. He looks to be a blend of Trent and Eddie. His speed in the open field looks to be more like Eddie but between the tackles he has a little of both. Good spin move but not as violent as Eddie's (better than Trent's). He sets blocks up better than Eddie in the hole and squats with a wide base before making a cut (not quiet as good or as wide as Trent). The kid looks good.
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:13 am to T Rey WI
GW, where is Dymonte Thomas slated to play at Michigan? I thought RB but maybe DB? Thanks. I've been impressed with Hoke at Michigan. Would love to see him put UM in his place but I don't see it happening. OSU with Meyer recruiting is a little scary for the rest of the Big 10. OSU recruits for itself but adding in Meyer's aggressive style and pearl tongue is not fair. Gonna have to catch them in the years they're young and breaking in a ton of new starters. Sort of like Bama now just not at the same level as Bama nationally.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:53 am to Sandkhan
Meh?? Really?? You see the tape I posted 2 or 3 PGs back Sand? Kid is impressive
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:05 am to BuccWildBammer
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Meh?? Really?? You see the tape I posted 2 or 3 PGs back Sand? Kid is impressive
He's good, but nothing that special. Just from this class, Ty Isaac's film is much better
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:21 am to T Rey WI
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:23 am to lsufanva
Thomas is a Safety
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 1:27 am
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:37 am to TreyAnastasio
For what it is worth, If Keyante Green was indeed turned away yesterday, then it means that the second RB in the class for UGA has already silently committed which is what people who would know were already saying. No one is saying who it is, but the die is apparently already cast one way or another on UGA's RB class this cycle.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:54 am to BuccWildBammer
I did. I mean, it may just be me but he looks like a run of the mill 4 star back to me, comparable to Mike Davis from last year. Good, but not elite, not someone i'd give out a scholarship to when we're so short on numbers this year and already have a better back in Tenpenny. And definitely not Trent. Trent is a once every 10 years type player. He's Adrian Peterson. You don't get to run that guy back for another few years and then you just have to hope he picks your school.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:59 am to Sandkhan
But that's why I like recruiting is for little disagreements like this. Myself and TideSaint had a discussion several years ago about recruiting and we agreed on almost everyone but Kenny Bell. He was really high on Bell, I wasn't a fan(mostly due to the fact that we signed like 3 or 4 5'10" 170lb wrs that year and I felt it was overkill and he was the last one to jump on board). The truth ended up somewhere in the middle
Posted on 2/19/12 at 2:40 am to SoGaFan
Nobody was turned away from UGA class
Posted on 2/19/12 at 7:11 am to lsufanva
He is slated to play safety. Hoke wants bigger backs for power running.
It's going to be osu and Michigan on top of the big Ten.
It's going to be osu and Michigan on top of the big Ten.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:13 am to T Rey WI
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Just watched the Tyren Jones highlights. He looks to be a blend of Trent and Eddie.
I thought Ingram and Eddie.
Thought it looked like he has some good vision and found the holes like Ingram did.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:21 am to BuccWildBammer
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I hope you realized that was a joke, or a bad attempt at one I guess
Also to Saint, you seen this film - LINK
WOW!! is all I gotta say, and I'm a film junkie, best HS RB film I've seen since Trent, also Kublanow is not as good as I thought, Grant hill is much better, but the guy has all the tools, VERY impressive, hope we land him now 110%
Bingo on Tyren Jones. I'm a film junkie as well....and actually live in Marietta, Georgia. Been here since Jan 2007 and had not attended a high school football game. I saw Walton [on television] play in the Corky Kell Classic to begin the 2011 Season and after seeing Jones run wild for 216 yards in that game....I decided to check him out in person. Ended up attending 12 of Walton's 15 home games.
Kid is a BEAST. Walton was a very predictable team....meaning teams knew Tyren Jones was getting the ball and they still couldn't stop him. Walton was 14-0 and had a top 25 National Ranking before losing to Grayson in the Georgia AAAAA State Championship.
When assessing RBs, you have to take into account level of competition. Georgia AAAAA had 9 different teams that were ranked in the Rivals 100 National Poll at some during the season. Against that competition Jones ran for 2,375 yards and 33 rushing TDs with over 3,000 All Purpose Yards and 38 Total TDs (33 rushing, 3 receiving, 1 kickoff return TD, 1 punt return TD). His rushing yards and TDs give him one of the top 5 seasons all time for a RB in Georgia's largest classification......and that was as an 11th grader.
Check out the attached link that discusses a 20 year NFL Study (1991-2010) and evaluates the "ideal", optimal size for an NFL RB in terms of effectiveness. 5'9", 205-215 pounds is the ideal size for a RB. Jones recently measured 5'9 1/2", 200 pounds at UGA's Junior Day and ran a 10.87 F.A.T. 100 Meter Dash during an Intrasquad Meet last week. For comparison, Patrick Peterson ran 10.92 as a high school senior and Julio Jones 11.13. Both Peterson (4.34) and Jones (4.39) ran exceptional electronic 40s at the Combine.
Tyren Jones is LEGIT.
Optimal Size for a NFL RB
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 8:35 am
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:27 am to AMM AU9893
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He's good, but nothing that special. Just from this class, Ty Isaac's film is much better
You comparing the film of a kid playing in Georgia AAAAA to a kid playing against smaller private schools? Seriously?
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:28 am to Sandkhan
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I did. I mean, it may just be me but he looks like a run of the mill 4 star back to me, comparable to Mike Davis from last year. Good, but not elite, not someone i'd give out a scholarship to when we're so short on numbers this year and already have a better back in Tenpenny. And definitely not Trent. Trent is a once every 10 years type player. He's Adrian Peterson. You don't get to run that guy back for another few years and then you just have to hope he picks your school
Tenpenny is better than Tyren Jones based on? Running for 1200 yards in Arkansas as a 10th grader? Tenpenny didn't even play in 2011 and Jones ran for 2,400 yards in the toughest classification in high school, Georgia AAAAA.
I'd love to hear your explanation as to why Tenpenny is better than Tyren Jones. Please don't tell me rankings because Rivals is HORRIBLE at ranking RBs.
Between 2002-2008, of the Rivals top 10 RBs and top 10 All-Purpose RBs for each of these years.....so 20 RBs per year for 7 years....a total of 140 RBs....only 5 of those guys have made an NFL Pro Bowl...That's 3.6%.
Of those 140 RBs....only about 12-15% have ever played in the NFL. There are several years in which none of Rivals' top 10 RBs ever played a down in the NFL. Rivals places too much emphasis on size & speed....and not actual game performance. Thomas Tyner and Tenpenny are ranked high because of "measureables".....not because of on-field performance. This methodology is exactly why Rivals is horrible at projecting/assessing RBs.
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 8:42 am
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:30 am to Remy74
Be sure to watch from the 1:40 to 4:05 mark.
-Especially the run at 2:00
-Especially the run at 2:15
Tyren Jones 2011 Film
-Especially the run at 2:00
-Especially the run at 2:15
Tyren Jones 2011 Film
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 8:34 am
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:03 am to Remy74
TY so much Remy for all your input this morning...if you have ever worked professionally on a training staff or on a fball staff, you would understand what some of the traits in a RB you look for on film, I will take better vision and a wider base over speed any day, Tyren has all 3, then another perfect trait you see in Tyren Jones is the power base and explosion, he is quick in the hole, can punish and I mean PUNISH a defender (same with Trent HS film) and the size doesn't matter, it is his power base, and his ability to plant cut then explode and then freakish upper body strength. Then add top end speed, kid is the best film I've seen since Trent and I'll stand by that. I want him badly and so does the staff.
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 9:09 am
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:51 am to Remy74
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Tyren Jones 2011 Film
If he comes to Alabama and runs like that, he will be our next heisman winner.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:14 am to Remy74
Tenpenny is unanimously ranked higher than Ty Jones, not just on rivals. I also think his film looks better. Just me, time will tell. But people who get paid to do this agree with me, so.....
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:36 am to Sandkhan
Sandkhan, do you remember how good a job Grant did running the ball Coach Saban's 1st year at Alabama? Do you also remember why he only ran like that in one other game during the rest of his time in Tuscaloosa?
Grant was a tailback rather than a running back. Tenpenny has the tools to be both a tailback and a running back. His skills are much closer to those of Yeldon/Lacy. Jones skill set is geared more toward a true RB. Both should do well in Alabama's system but they will succeed via differing methods.
This coming season, Fowler and Lacy will likely be the tools used to wear down the opposing defense while Lacy/Hart/Yeldon will be the ones most likely used to cut their hearts out as fattigue begins to set in. A couple of years down the road I would guess Jones would be the better back in the early sledding and Tenpenny would be the better option mid 2nd qtr and the latter 2/3's of the second half. Both styles are needed.
Grant was a tailback rather than a running back. Tenpenny has the tools to be both a tailback and a running back. His skills are much closer to those of Yeldon/Lacy. Jones skill set is geared more toward a true RB. Both should do well in Alabama's system but they will succeed via differing methods.
This coming season, Fowler and Lacy will likely be the tools used to wear down the opposing defense while Lacy/Hart/Yeldon will be the ones most likely used to cut their hearts out as fattigue begins to set in. A couple of years down the road I would guess Jones would be the better back in the early sledding and Tenpenny would be the better option mid 2nd qtr and the latter 2/3's of the second half. Both styles are needed.
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