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re: Would you believe half the teams in the CFP don't have a win against a ranked opponent.

Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:00 pm to
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I'm not sure i understand the reasoning.


You understand. It makes sense. I won't entertain your stupid argument.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60624 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:18 pm to
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This year the committee strongly indicated that SOS isn’t very important in the 12 team playoff,

And here is where Alabama struggle with reasoning. They didn't say SOS doesn't count. They said 3 losses with two being to .500 teams is punished. There was one 3 loss team that made the playoffs and that team won their conference...and did not have two terrible losses.

Now, if Alabama beats those teams coming up on their schedule, and loses one tough game, or two tough games they probably make it in.

I keep saying and believe this....if Alabama had lost to Georgia and beaten either Oklahoma or Vanderbilt, they would have made the playoffs. It was two terrible loses that kept you out of the playoffs, not something else. Y'all lost to two bad teams....the other teams in the playoffs did not. You want to amke the playoffs? Don't lost to two bad teams.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60624 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:20 pm to
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You understand. It makes sense. I won't entertain your stupid argument.


The stupid argument comes when Alabama fans want to think they deserved to be in the playoffs after losing to two bad teams. If it were to one bad team and one good team you're golden. but hey. You guys keep thinking some OOC schedule kept you out of the playoffs.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
57735 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:24 pm to
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The stupid argument comes when Alabama fans want to think they deserved to be in the playoffs after losing to two bad teams.


I get it. You're scared of Bama and have to come up with stupid arguments to run cover for the playoff committee so UGA won't have to face daddy again. Makes sense.

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You guys keep thinking some OOC schedule kept you out of the playoffs.


Only you are dishonestly making that the argument.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 3:25 pm
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
41145 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:30 pm to
Bama lost to Vandy. Period.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60624 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:39 pm to
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I get it. You're scared of Bama and have to come up with stupid arguments to run cover for the playoff committee so UGA won't have to face daddy again. Makes sense.

I'm not scared of Bama. Why would I be? I've never played Alabama. Hint: It's a game.

Question. Name one playoff team that lost not one, but to two teams with 6-6 or worse records. Did Alabama play a tougher schedule that many of the teams? Yes. But the other teams did not lose to two bad teams. Had they had two bad losses they would not have made it, either.

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Only you are dishonestly making that the argument.


And yet it is Alabama fans saying they should go to easy OCC teams.
Again. It wasn't your OOC schedule that kept you out of the playoffs.

You can't even admit that it was losing to Oklahoma and Vanderbilt that kept you out. If it were reversed you would be saying Georgia did not earn their way into the playoffs.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60624 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:44 pm to
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Only you are dishonestly making that the argument.


Tell me this. Why are y'all arguing that Alabama should go to an easy OOC schedule?

If Alabama had played Wyoming, Mercer, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State this past season, would they have made the playoffs? What would that have accomplished?
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9693 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:45 pm to
It’s a playoff of teams with the easiest schedules. UGA should rip through it.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19230 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:39 pm to
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No. Indiana, ND, SMU, Clemson etc did not have as big wins as Alabama. but they also didn't have as big losses as Alabama.
Indiana played two, count them 2 teams with better than a 6-6 record. Got blown out by 1, the only ranked team they played. With that schedule they shouldn’t sniff the playoff.

SMU, not much better. How much easier is a schedule where you are going to have maybe 2 difficult games on your schedule. ND isn’t much better.

There’s exactly one team with a tougher schedule than Bama’s in the playoff. That Georgia survived it with only two losses is a miracle.

After all, are there good teams or bad ones in the playoff? There isn’t a 1-11 Purdue for Indiana not to lose to. A team not ironically how many teams in the playoff had on their schedule.
Posted by zdfger
Member since Dec 2020
476 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:41 pm to
That’s true but here’s something to consider and I’ll use ND as an example . The fact that they crushed just about everyone on their schedule might have something to do with why the teams aren’t ranked anymore. If you remove the ND loss from the following teams would they be ranked? They’ll all probably receive votes in the final poll btw

Army
Louisville
TAM
Georgia Tech
Possibly Navy?
You can even throw USC in there. None of those teams are patsies
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
7426 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:27 pm to
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They didn't say SOS doesn't count.


I said it’s not weighed heavily. It isn’t.

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They said 3 losses with two being to .500 teams is punished.


South Carolina didn’t do this.

Everything else in your post is equally incoherent. This is an SEC issue, not an Alabama issue. By blathering on and on about Alabama you have tipped your hand where your motivations lay.

Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60624 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 7:14 am to
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They didn't say SOS doesn't count.


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I said it’s not weighed heavily. It isn’t.


Fair enough. Which should be weighed heavier? Losses or SOS? because Florida (5ht toughest schedule) had a tough schedule and finished the year stronger than Alabama.

I mean South Carolina had the #17 ranked schedule (Alabama was #16) and had one win taken from them by a terrible call. They have more to complain about than Alabama.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24135 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 7:56 am to
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Boise's QB has 30+ TD passes



ESPN says 22 TDs, with 5 in the last 5 games and less than 200 yards in 4/5

So again, can they pass the ball well enough to win games when teams stack the box (and maybe stacking the box won't matter)
Posted by FoTownBam
Foley Al
Member since Oct 2023
3363 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:07 am to
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Had Bama not caught every break ever…. Literally EVER…

That’s it, let the butthurt flow. It’s the only way you’ll recover
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
Member since Sep 2013
10652 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 9:49 am to
We have a backup QB playing, all the pundits are saying it can't be done
Posted by GamerAg
Member since Dec 2010
2039 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:18 am to
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Oregon went undefeated and got absolutely fricked.


The conf champs getting auto-byes needs to change. Conf champs getting auto-bid is fine, adds weight and importance to winning the conference. But it should not affect seeding. Seeding for the CFP should be based on final rankings. Top 4 ranked teams get the byes. The rest get seeded accordingly.
Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
1557 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:31 am to
No. Somebody said this about Texas last week, and I’d never thought about it like that.

This is not right. CFP still depends on rankings, and teams are ranked with little regard for strength of schedule.

CFP will always be “off” until they rank by SoS.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
2672 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 11:30 am to
Cutting it back to at least 8 is what they need to do. No one that deserved to be in got left. We’re arguing 3 loss teams and 2 loss no merit schedules. Which affect the paths of teams that did earn it, like Oregon.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
7426 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 11:50 am to
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Fair enough. Which should be weighed heavier? Losses or SOS? because Florida (5ht toughest schedule) had a tough schedule and finished the year stronger than Alabama.


We have been discussing SOS, but SOR is what we're really talking about, and to answer your question SOR should be weighed the heaviest as it factors in losses. If 12 is the number of teams we want, then the best system would have been four auto bids for the P4 champions, no byes, eight at-large teams based on an updated version of the old BCS formula. Honestly I don't know how any supporter of a team in the SEC (or other person who understands that all schedules are not created equally) would disagree with this. The entire concept of a committee was chosen simply as a means to mitigate SEC dominance in the postseason, by introducing a greater degree of subjectivity into the process. Not sure why you are so fixated on Alabama here.
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I mean South Carolina had the #17 ranked schedule (Alabama was #16) and had one win taken from them by a terrible call. They have more to complain about than Alabama.

Ok cool, put USC in. Or whoever the 8 highest ranked remaining teams are after the four P4 champs, using the agreed upon formula. Again, really odd (but telling) that the entirety of your argument is fixated on Alabama. My argument is for a system that would benefit the entire conference (or other team) that happens to have played a difficult schedule. Your argument is very clearly one where you have simply arrived at a desired conclusion (you want to keep Alabama out) and you are twisting and turning throwing shite at a wall trying to backfill a selection system that would justify your desired outcome.

Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
2927 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:02 pm to
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Remember when Greg Byrne said leaving out Bama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina would affect future OOC scheduling decisions?


He build a straw man argument and viciously tore it to pieces impressing no one with a brain.
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