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Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:19 pm to BuckI
What I think would be more foolish is one of the P2 having had these discussions when they know that it would be going to court with eventual discovery taking place.
Having colluded to that point would open a P2 to a whole lot of interference.
Having colluded to that point would open a P2 to a whole lot of interference.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:10 am to SEC. 593
I don’t really understand fsu and clemson wanting to leave so badly now that the ACC has two guaranteed spots into the expanded playoff’s…
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:13 am to BuckI
Not sure who the SEC would invite after FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC if they go to 24 but I would guess that the following would be in the mix:
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Louisville
Oklahoma State
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Louisville
Oklahoma State
Posted on 3/20/24 at 2:19 pm to Cryptonbarton
FSU is willing to listen to the sec's offer. But we are going to need Kirk Herbstriets head on a pike as a good will gesture first.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 2:28 pm to EvilJimbo
FSU gonna take the easy road again. 
Posted on 3/20/24 at 2:44 pm to nicholastiger
quote:Anyone who believes a word that snake says is an idiot.
I believe Sankey that nothing is in play for SEC right now.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:07 pm to BuckI
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The reining national champion is from the B1G and the favorite to win the next one is also in the B1G.
Nothing like being reduced to bragging about your hated rival to legitimize the B1G and championships. And Georgia is the odd maker's choice to win the NC.
This century:
SEC - 14
B1G - 3
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:20 pm to BuckI
I still struggle to see where the SEC gets more money by adding more teams.
They just added Texas and OU and the payment per team for their TV contract did not increase. Maybe ESPN makes it worth their while, but if they don't I can't see the SEC pulling the trigger on expansion.
The Big 10? Sure. They have a network that they own where adding teams means more content to televise. But the SEC just has network contracts with their providers. They only get more if the contract gets renegotiated.
The SEC contract runs for another decade. Unless ESPN gives the SEC a financial incentive to add teams sooner, I can't see the SEC expanding again before then.
They just added Texas and OU and the payment per team for their TV contract did not increase. Maybe ESPN makes it worth their while, but if they don't I can't see the SEC pulling the trigger on expansion.
The Big 10? Sure. They have a network that they own where adding teams means more content to televise. But the SEC just has network contracts with their providers. They only get more if the contract gets renegotiated.
The SEC contract runs for another decade. Unless ESPN gives the SEC a financial incentive to add teams sooner, I can't see the SEC expanding again before then.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:34 pm to DawginSC
If they add good teams (like Clemson and FSU) that can really drive high ratings for espn then it should give the SEC a tone of bargaining power when the next contract negotiation comes around.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:40 pm to DawginSC
ESPN needs the content that Clemson, FSU, and UNC will bring.
The SEC needs someone new to rework their TV deal/negotiations with the mouse.
The SEC needs someone new to rework their TV deal/negotiations with the mouse.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:56 pm to BuckI
The revenue difference per-school compared to the Big Ten is nothing to worry about for the SEC but I firmly believe that the SEC and Big Ten will be picking apart the ACC in the coming years.
I imagine SEC is already back channelling with Clemson, FSU, UNC, and NCST. Remember, they were against adding the additional teams to the ACC though NCST backed off and allowed the other schools to get their additions (likely after the additions agreed to pauperize themselves with bad revenue share distributions until renegotiation with Disney).
Those schools want out, everyone knows they want out but Clemson and FSU are most wedded to football and they're getting left behind relative to all their SEC neighbors on revenue. They can't afford to wait this out like UNC and NCST who are basketball schools that want to compete in football too.
I imagine SEC is already back channelling with Clemson, FSU, UNC, and NCST. Remember, they were against adding the additional teams to the ACC though NCST backed off and allowed the other schools to get their additions (likely after the additions agreed to pauperize themselves with bad revenue share distributions until renegotiation with Disney).
Those schools want out, everyone knows they want out but Clemson and FSU are most wedded to football and they're getting left behind relative to all their SEC neighbors on revenue. They can't afford to wait this out like UNC and NCST who are basketball schools that want to compete in football too.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:02 pm to BuckI
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I doubt ESPN wants to lose Clemson and FSU football and UNC and Duke basketball. They may be planting rumors about the B1G to make Sankey nervous and for him to add all 4. If the above schools are going to jump to the SEC then that is the time for it to happen during renegotiations.
I doubt the SEC or the Big10 want Duke. This is football driving the bus.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:07 pm to BuckI
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ESPN needs the content that Clemson, FSU, and UNC will bring.
The SEC needs someone new to rework their TV deal/negotiations with the mouse.
You would have thought that adding OU and Texas would have increased the per team payout for the SEC. I believe the SEC believed it would happen.
It didn't. SEC teams will be making the same amount per team even with adding two blue bloods
Neither Clemson nor FSU are blue bloods. The SEC might benefit from adding them, but not until negotiating the new contract after the current one expires in a decade.
I don't think the SEC is in a hurry to add anyone. I think if they do they could end up with LESS money per team. That won't fly for the existing members.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:17 pm to BevoBucks
quote:What I've seen reported is that ESPN has an option to terminate the current deal with the ACC in 2027. If they don't, it runs to 2036. I suppose they could terminate it and try to beat the ACC down some more on a new deal, but why do that? It might open the door for FSU and Clemson to leave as there is an argument that the grant of rights is tied to that deal. Even if the schools that ESPN wants end up in the SEC, they already have them under contract (at a cheaper rate) in the ACC.
Wondering if that’s as done a deal as folks think. ESPN is scheduled to renegotiate ACC’s GOR next year & that opens a window for them to help SEC nab FSU & Clemson.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:19 pm to G&P
P2 B1G could add:
Notre Dame
Stanford
Arizona
Utah
Virginia
Kansas
Teams on the border - Cal, Colorado, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Pitt.
Notre Dame
Stanford
Arizona
Utah
Virginia
Kansas
Teams on the border - Cal, Colorado, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Pitt.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:20 pm to BuckI
quote:The SEC's deal with ESPN contains a pro rata clause, increasing the payout for any school that the SEC adds on a pro rata basis. What this means is that new members will get the same share as existing members, but existing members get no bump, unless the SEC were to pull a chickenshit move like hazing the new members and only giving them a partial distribution.
ESPN needs the content that Clemson, FSU, and UNC will bring.
The SEC needs someone new to rework their TV deal/negotiations with the mouse.
Bottom line: adding new members won't give the SEC any basis for reworking the deal with ESPN.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:25 pm to DawginSC
quote:That one is a head-scratcher. According to the league's commish, both were 50 % of Big 12's revenue.
You would have thought that adding OU and Texas would have increased the per team payout for the SEC. I believe the SEC believed it would happen.
quote:You may be right but I think they have an idea of where they are going.
I don't think the SEC is in a hurry to add anyone. I
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:14 pm to G&P
Twenty four. Then we split into four six team divisions.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:22 pm to nicholastiger
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I do think the Big Ten likes the idea of adding a team like FSU and getting into the Florida market but I'm not sure FSU has the academic credibility the Big Ten prides itself on.
quote:I think academics are out the window now. It would be a nice bonus, but this is all about TV money
I do think the Big Ten likes the idea of adding a team like FSU and getting into the Florida market but I'm not sure FSU has the academic credibility the Big Ten prides itself on.
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