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re: :With All Due Respect Auburn (a lesson in (un)masked agendas):

Posted on 11/1/10 at 6:33 am to
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/1/10 at 6:33 am to
I am not mad. I expected it.

I understand the math in it all. I just do not understand the voters. I also find it odd that Oregon went from #8 in the computers to #2 by beating a unranked USC. I can understand them rising two places due to Mizz and MIch St losing but how did they vault to #2?

Auburn is ranked #1 in every computer. All of them.

I also find it odd that Boise is #4 in the computers and Bama is #15. Seriously?

Will this new thinking, Schedule does not matter, get us back to the old out of conference schedules. Where we actually play 4 teams that have no chance of beating us? If strength of schedule does not matter, why schedule tough OOC games?


Posted by Aubie83
Member since Jan 2008
5012 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 7:14 am to
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completely take Auburn's side in the BCS discussion... but I haven't heard any criticism of their LSU win?


I'm pretty sure unless I heard wrong that Auburns win over LSU didn't mean much as LSU is overrated...their D is not that great even though they are still number 7 in the country...they then went on to say that Bama beating LSU would be huge for the Tide and their NC hopes...
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 7:16 am
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
70408 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 7:25 am to
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I'm pretty sure unless I heard wrong that Auburns win over LSU didn't mean much as LSU is overrated...their D is not that great even though they are still number 7 in the country...they then went on to say that Bama beating LSU would be huge for the Tide and their NC hopes...



I think the phrase that was used was that Auburn had a 7 point win over a VERY OVERRATED LSU team. But Boise had a tough contest left with a good Nevada. WTF?

LSU is #6 in the computers and #10 in the BCS. Overrated? I think not.. It was a quality win.


Posted by parkjas2001
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Member since Feb 2010
45000 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 8:57 am to
After watching the Oregon game, i thought they would and should be #1.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38793 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:04 am to
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Did you even take the time to read the post>? you echo many of my points...albeit, a bit more straight to the point...which, I guess, in this day and age of twittering twats, is a good thing


Yeah, I read your post. It was most excellent. I should have said that first.

I was just reducing your post to its essential essence in the only fricking way I know how.
Posted by superman
Member since Mar 2008
8079 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:05 am to
TL:DR
Posted by Canuck Tiger
Member since Sep 2010
1789 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:11 am to
I think Auburn getting dropped to #2 is more to stop a 1loss Bama from jumping back to. #2 over Boise St. than anything against Auburn. If LSU somehow beats Bama then the narrative will change again.
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
20446 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:14 am to
Quit whinning & bitchin'. We play in the SEC. Win your games you play for the crystal. Just that simple.
Posted by pitbull1Ark
Bella Vista, Arkansas
Member since Sep 2008
1212 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:55 am to
I've seen Auburn get screwed before, and I really don't care to see that again. I'm not an Auburn fan by no means, but they do deserve to be # 1. The BCS is flawed and should be replaced with a playoff system.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
53182 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:57 am to
I'm fine with getting that #1 target off our back. That being said, if AU wins Bama and the SECC, they'll be #1 going into the MNC with Oregon.
Posted by Slut Hog
Member since May 2010
1092 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:10 am to
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WTF. Do you really believe all this shite? Oregon jumped us because USCw>OM, and the human polls love Oregon.


Yeah, because everything in life should be taken at face value, and you should believe everything you see on tv. DUH
Posted by wardamnamerica
Member since Sep 2010
564 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:16 am to
Its more of the prestige thats comes with the #1 ranking and being able to hold on to it. Its odd that we gained a #1 ranking so late in the season and then lost it after both teams played relatively inferior opponents. USC shouldn`t of been ranked #22. Its the coaches n Ap that swayed it.

The polls and BCS system sucks, but its also what makes everything so exciting. People wouldn`t be half as mad if espn had better commentators. No one cares about Boise st. or any of the so called bcs busters.

I honestly don`t mind Boise St. They play high quality, disciplined football against vastly inferior opponents and they have showed up in their big games. But until they quit painting their field blue and play a few more big boys, they shouldn`t get all the attention.

Also, every year the AP and Coaches put way too much of an emphasis on style points. Once an elite (top 10) team goes up by 2 TDs, its usually over. If you have any weapons you can pile it on because the teams usually give up or its become obvious the losing coaches gameplan failed. Style points and margin of victory should only be considered if you beat a top 15 team by a ton and look good doing it.
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:35 am to
Your post is funny, and as one who also worked at a pretty senior executive capacity in the media for a number of years, I share your disdain (or is it contempt) for them. All that said, one might reasonably inquire as to ESPN's motivation for using all its hot air machines to inflate the Boise State balloon. Perhaps they feel that having a Boise State in the BCSNCG (or, heaven forfend, Boise State and TCU) would only serve to hasten the advent of a playoff system, which would rate to benefit whom? The Mouse and his Evil Empire, of course.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 11:36 am
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:38 am to
why do people insist on typing manifestos?





Undefested Auburn at seasons end = #1 BCS

/thread
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:41 am to
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why do people insist on typing manifestos?


Every now and then those of us who can read words of more than one syllable and write sentences of more than 2 words should be entitled to our share of the fun.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:43 am to


This is one of the better posts I've read on here.

It's like part insane rant, part farcical comedy, part well-reasoned logic.
Posted by CreoleAubie
NC
Member since Sep 2008
2910 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:03 pm to
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I think the phrase that was used was that Auburn had a 7 point win over a VERY OVERRATED LSU team. But Boise had a tough contest left with a good Nevada. WTF?

LSU is #6 in the computers and #10 in the BCS. Overrated? I think not.. It was a quality win.


This. When Palmer said "a very overrated LSU team", I was like "Look at the fricking board! They are in the top 10!!!"

One more thing (and I am not bitching per se), but I had to turn it off after the 20 minutes of discussion about Bama and how they can still be in the hunt. I mean, EVERYONE was talking about it. And of course it's true, but I kept thinking "What is the fricking deal here? They keep mentioning AL winning the Iron Bowl and then jumping whomever, but they still have Georgia State to play (not to mention LSU and Miss St)....they are a long way off from looking towards the Iron Bowl."
Posted by GenTso
Magrathea
Member since Jan 2007
530 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:15 pm to
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why do people insist on typing manifestos?


The people confused by any post with more than 150 characters should just go ahead hit the back button on their browser.

ESPN is simply trying to milk as much out of the flawed BCS system as possible by creating as much controversy as possible.

The problem with it is that they're completely taking sides and steering opinion both publicly and professionally. I don't have a problem with that, but it's the backhanded way they're doing it that's troubling.

It's safe to assume that most of those talking heads, especially Cheesy Palmer, can't believe what they're being told to say. All of their "arguments" revolve around giving certain considerations to some teams, then not extending those considerations to other teams.

For example, Auburn beat a very overrated LSU team last week. They've beat that drum dozens of time with that statement. But then in the next breath they say how a bama win over LSU would strengthen their bid for a repeat appearance in the BCS title game.

It's just borderline retarded. I refuse to believe anyone is so stupid to not remember what they said 5 seconds earlier. Their whole script comes off like it was written by the public relations firm Boise hired after last season to sway the opinions of voters (that's where the whole "look at the team, not who they play" argument came from).

ESPN can choke on a bag of cocks. Unfortunately there are few alternatives. Just watch some of the college football programming on CBS College Sports -- there's normal opinion, not just hot air and bloviating. If someone says something ridiculously stupid -- and they rarely do -- then they get called out on it. Both the Tony Barnhardt Show and Inside College Football are hundreds of times better than any offering from ESPN.

But I can tell you all what is going to happen. If you have four undefeated teams with the two from non-AQ conferences, it'll be like last year. They'll pit TCU and Boise in a game together, then the real BCS title game. The only difference is the AP will decide to "make a point" and vote the winner of the TCU-Boisenberry game as its national champion.

The AP is pretty much irrelevant these days anyway as a voting organization, but it's still one of the main two bodies awarding national titles.

The bottom line is simple for Auburn: Win and you're in. Win it all and for all eternity shut up the moronic talking heads who use "SEC must be down" as an excuse to downplay accomplishments anytime Auburn is doing well.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:20 pm to
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They keep mentioning AL winning the Iron Bowl and then jumping whomever,


Nationally, AU has been written off as having no chance in the IB.

Check out the ESPN bowl projections for the SEC. They have Bama in the BCSNCG or Sugar Bowl with AU being one bowl lower in each prediction.
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

The people confused by any post with more than 150 characters should just go ahead hit the back button on their browser.


thanks Dad ill be sure to do that next time


quote:

But I can tell you all what is going to happen. If you have four undefeated teams with the two from non-AQ conferences, it'll be like last year. They'll pit TCU and Boise in a game together, then the real BCS title game. The only difference is the AP will decide to "make a point" and vote the winner of the TCU-Boisenberry game as its national champion.


this is full of failure

First of all they wont put TCU v Boise for the 2nd year in a row

Secondly, theres no way in hell they award TCU or Boise the AP if Oregon or Auburn go 14-0
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