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re: Will Gus go to Texas?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:25 pm to cyde
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:25 pm to cyde
I could care less if Gus goes to Texas or not. I doubt he will, though, as he's already changed jobs 3 times in 3 years (Auburn OC, then Arky State HC, now AU HC).
The ONLY reason I can see Gus leaving is because of what has happened to coaches in the past at Auburn. If he fails to keep up with the Jones's (Alabama, UGA, LSU to a lesser extent) then they'll kick him to the curb.
Case in point:
Terry Bowden - undefeated in 1993, won the West and 10 wins in 1997, then fired half way through 1998.
Tommy Tuberville - undefeated in 2004, tied or won the SEC West 5 times, won 9+ games 6 times, 11 wins in 2006. "Resigned" after 5-7 2008, despite winning 9 in 2007. Jetgate occurred in 2003.
Gene Chizik - Undefeated in 2010 (NC), won 8 games twice. One losing season, fired.
Combined records - 165-76-1, two firings, one left after being almost fired 4 seasons in.
Gus may simply decide not to wait around to see if he gets the same treatment.
So long as the PTB at Auburn are around, they will always have issues like these.
The ONLY reason I can see Gus leaving is because of what has happened to coaches in the past at Auburn. If he fails to keep up with the Jones's (Alabama, UGA, LSU to a lesser extent) then they'll kick him to the curb.
Case in point:
Terry Bowden - undefeated in 1993, won the West and 10 wins in 1997, then fired half way through 1998.
Tommy Tuberville - undefeated in 2004, tied or won the SEC West 5 times, won 9+ games 6 times, 11 wins in 2006. "Resigned" after 5-7 2008, despite winning 9 in 2007. Jetgate occurred in 2003.
Gene Chizik - Undefeated in 2010 (NC), won 8 games twice. One losing season, fired.
Combined records - 165-76-1, two firings, one left after being almost fired 4 seasons in.
Gus may simply decide not to wait around to see if he gets the same treatment.
So long as the PTB at Auburn are around, they will always have issues like these.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:28 pm to ColtonH
He was asked about it today. Asked him whether speculation about being a good choice for other jobs was legit. He said he was a good choice for the AU job, and that's why he signed a new deal 2 weeks ago.
So, you know. He ****.
So, you know. He ****.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:30 pm to skrayper
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Will Gus go to Texas? I could care less if Gus goes to Texas or not. I doubt he will, though, as he's already changed jobs 3 times in 3 years (Auburn OC, then Arky State HC, now AU HC). The ONLY reason I can see Gus leaving is because of what has happened to coaches in the past at Auburn. If he fails to keep up with the Jones's (Alabama, UGA, LSU to a lesser extent) then they'll kick him to the curb. Case in point: Terry Bowden - undefeated in 1993, won the West and 10 wins in 1997, then fired half way through 1998. Tommy Tuberville - undefeated in 2004, tied or won the SEC West 5 times, won 9+ games 6 times, 11 wins in 2006. "Resigned" after 5-7 2008, despite winning 9 in 2007. Jetgate occurred in 2003. Gene Chizik - Undefeated in 2010 (NC), won 8 games twice. One losing season, fired. Combined records - 165-76-1, two firings, one left after being almost fired 4 seasons in. Gus may simply decide not to wait around to see if he gets the same treatment. So long as the PTB at Auburn are around, they will always have issues like these.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:33 pm to NYCAuburn
I was gonna correct his "could" to "couldn't" but after reading his post, I truly think he cares a lot and could care less
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:33 pm to NYCAuburn
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Um, okay.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:36 pm to beaver
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I was gonna correct his "could" to "couldn't" but after reading his post, I truly think he cares a lot and could care less
It's a Southern thing ;p
Seriously, I honestly don't care as in "I'm not worried one way or another", but I guess you could say I do "care" as in I'm fascinated by it.
I have no doubt that it was the right thing to get rid of Bowden and Chizik (though Tuberville is debatable); however, it is irrelevant how I perceive those firings. It only matters how Malzahn does.
That said - if you're trying to get away from over-the-top, overbearing, control freak BOTs... then Texas is the wrong place to go, regardless.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:36 pm to ColtonH
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:38 pm to ColtonH
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I have heard he told them to wait to contact him until after the championship game, but that they have been talking with his agent over coffee at Starbucks in the Austin airport.
There is no Starbucks inside the Austin airport. Ask me, I know.
Their "local" coffee sucks. Outside I think they have one near baggage claim, I can't remember.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:39 pm to skrayper
Good grief
Talk about being vague to further your agenda. Yes it's accurate but calling it a losing season is a compliment to what happened last year.
Also missed some details on Bowden.
But you "could care less," right?
So you're saying he shouldn't stay at auburn because we cut ties when it's time?
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One losing season, fired.
Talk about being vague to further your agenda. Yes it's accurate but calling it a losing season is a compliment to what happened last year.
Also missed some details on Bowden.
But you "could care less," right?
So you're saying he shouldn't stay at auburn because we cut ties when it's time?
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:41 pm to Pettifogger
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He was asked about it today. Asked him whether speculation about being a good choice for other jobs was legit. He said he was a good choice for the AU job, and that's why he signed a new deal 2 weeks ago.
So, you know. He ****.
But did he say he was not going? I mean Saban was asked this over and over and over........
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:46 pm to skrayper
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Case in point:
Terry Bowden - undefeated in 1993, won the West and 10 wins in 1997, then fired half way through 1998.
Tommy Tuberville - undefeated in 2004, tied or won the SEC West 5 times, won 9+ games 6 times, 11 wins in 2006. "Resigned" after 5-7 2008, despite winning 9 in 2007. Jetgate occurred in 2003.
Gene Chizik - Undefeated in 2010 (NC), won 8 games twice. One losing season, fired.
Combined records - 165-76-1, two firings, one left after being almost fired 4 seasons in.
Gus may simply decide not to wait around to see if he gets the same treatment.
So long as the PTB at Auburn are around, they will always have issues like these.
Somewhat right but Terry Bowden was collapsing. His regular season win total went 11-0, 9-1-1, 7-4, 7-4, 9-2, 1-5 and he quit. There was a lot of mess there off the field such as rumors of something something with Bobby Lowders daughter and I believe bad press with player arrests. And a lot of people pointed to his brother as having been the real reason for the undefeated years.
Tubbs had his fight with Lowder and the BOD for years. If Chuck Oliver was right, he caught Auburn's powers that be red handed looking for another coach and took the expensive buyout. Not sure. But 08 was ugly.
Chizik went from first to worst. Do you really expect someone who puts up a 3-9 record and whose program has become a disaster to stay? Think this through, did Auburn do the right thing firing him and hiring the brains behind the offense in the 2010 national championship run?
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:52 pm to skrayper
quote:Let me ask you a couple questions...
skrayper
1) Would you have kept Tommy Tubs after he posted a 5-7 season, while he also basically showed no desire on the recruiting trail? His recruiting tactics were out-dated, and Nick Saban bent him over in 2008 when he had a chance to pull in his first true class. Tommy Tubs also relied on signing kids that did not have grades, and relied on them to also come back to Auburn if they could straighten that out. We had no depth when he left. He was great for Auburn while he was there, but a change was needed.
2) Would you have kept Gene Chizik after a 3-9 season, which involved his own team quitting on him, chaos within the team and coaching staff, countless arrests, etc...? He lost control. Everyone knows this. The players knew it, the rest of the staff knew it, the recruits knew it, etc... He was done. He also made bad hires and meddled with both the offense and defense, which also lead to his downfall.
Answer those questions for me, please.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:00 pm to TTsTowel
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1) Would you have kept Tommy Tubs after he posted a 5-7 season
You didnt want him in 2003 remember JetGate?Then 2004 happened and he flipped the bird to Lowder.
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2) Would you have kept Gene Chizik after a 3-9 season
You didnt want Chiz to start with.
Then he won a natty,errybody was 
Then you realized you were right all along
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:02 pm to cyde
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If I fuel the rumors, I'm scared. If I ignore the rumors, it's because I'm so scared that I've got my head in the sand. If I take the rumors lightly, it's because I'm masking my fear with humor. If I flatly deny the rumors, it's because I'm in denial out of f
ear.
Now you get it...finally!
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:30 pm to skrayper
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So long as the PTB at Auburn are around, they will always have issues like these.
How is any of that an issue? I fail to see your point.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:32 pm to Smoke7024
Apparently terminating a coach when he ceases to do a good job is something auburn does and he doesn't like that. But he doesn't care.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:41 pm to skrayper
quote:I don't think you wanna play this game as a bama fan.
skrayper
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:58 pm to joeyb147
I just think Auburn has been pretty dang quick to pull the trigger on a coach.
No, I don't think that keeping Chizik or Bowden would've led to bigger and better things. Tuberville is a bigger maybe.
As for the BOT there, they almost cost your school its Accreditation. SACS had you guys on probation because of how much control those individuals (Lowder in particular) tried to control the system there.
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All big schools have issues like this, but Auburn went to another level. I can't find any reference of another SEC school being placed on SACS probation. Ever.
No, I don't think that keeping Chizik or Bowden would've led to bigger and better things. Tuberville is a bigger maybe.
As for the BOT there, they almost cost your school its Accreditation. SACS had you guys on probation because of how much control those individuals (Lowder in particular) tried to control the system there.
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All big schools have issues like this, but Auburn went to another level. I can't find any reference of another SEC school being placed on SACS probation. Ever.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:01 pm to skrayper
Holy frick you are ignorant.
Lowder is not even on the BOT anymore.
I love it when dumb arse gumps bring up sacs issue from a decade ago as a reason to shed poor light on AUs current state.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:05 pm to parkjas2001
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Holy frick you are ignorant.
Lowder is not even on the BOT anymore.
I love it when dumb arse gumps bring up sacs issue from a decade ago as a reason to shed poor light on AUs current state.
Yes, last year. Congrats on taking that long to realize what was tying you down at the bottom of the pool.
As for SACS - yes, it was 10 years ago. As it happened NEVER ago for everyone else, it's relevant.
Oh, and considering that AU fans love the "past 10 years" time frame for everything, blame them for keeping it relevant.
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