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Why would any kid who plays defense ever want to play for Gus Malzahn?

Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:55 am
Posted by 12thFairway
Member since May 2015
745 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:55 am
Gus Malzahn clearly only cares about OFFENSE. He widely advocates that offense is more important than defense. He posits defenses should be handicapped, by rule, and not allowed to substitute for down and distance. His philosophy further demonstrates he believes the outcome of all football games should be determined by offensive production only. He further maintains offense should at all times maintain 3 distinct advantages over defense:

1. The element of surprise
2. Control of tempo
3. Control over substitutions

This leaves the defense with only one defensive option: to react. Reactionary defenses are, by necessity, on their heels. It’s not possible to be an aggressive defense when there is no time to call defensive plays or scheme & substitute for down and distance situations. All the defense can do is react by returning to its position on the field for a quick tempo snap or call timeout. Not allowing the defense to scheme, call defensive plays, and substitute to defend specific down and distance situations means “Best on Best” rarely occurs at crucial times in the game and the winner of the game is ultimately determined by which offense can get back to the line the quickest and run a string of consecutive plays in the shortest period of time – not which team has the better athletes.

This offensive philosophy neutralizes and emasculates defenses. It is no longer a fair contest between offense and defense. It's rigged in favor of the offense and defensive players and coaches are marginalized.

Gus wants to render all defenses in college football, including his own, to easy to recruit 2nd tier players, that are not talented enough to play offense - turning the game solely into an offensive contest only.

Why would any kid who plays a defensive position, with NFL aspirations, want to play for a coach whose football philosophy is to radically change the game of football to neutralize and quash the ability of all defensive players to defend and devalue individual players unique defensive skills effectively minimizing any effect he may have on the game?
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:58 am to
so if he only cares about offense then why did he hire boom?
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5122 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:59 am to
John Madden tells me you gotta get the ball down the field to score, and Defense just really can't do that unless they have INTs all day, and that's just not realistic.
Posted by justausedcarguy
Member since Aug 2014
5642 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:59 am to
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:59 am to
Maybe, just maybe, that Muschamp guy he hired knows a thing or two about defense.
Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:00 am to
LSU and Florida haven't seemed to struggle with HUNH spread offenses.
Posted by 12thFairway
Member since May 2015
745 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:04 am to
If HUNH becomes the standard in college football no kid will ever want to play defense.
Posted by stevo1905
Member since Nov 2010
2082 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:19 am to
The common misconception about Malzahn's offense is that he runs HUNH throughout the game, which is simply false. Last year Auburn was middle of the pack in time of possession and plays per game. The offense is designed around misdirection and pace, but he mostly only runs the HUNH in early downs and especially across midfield when he feels like he's got the defense on their heels.

He slows down the pace situationally, either when the offense is inconsistent or more commonly, unfortunately, when his own defense has been failing to get stops. Auburn's main problem on offense last year was inconsistent offensive line play leading to uncapitalized red zone opportunities. I feel like many of the complaints are from uninformed casual observers who are subscribing to a misguided narrative to fit their agenda, which I suppose is to be expected.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 1:21 am
Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:23 am to
quote:

The common misconception about Malzahn's offense is that he runs HUNH throughout the game, which is simply false. Last year Auburn was middle of the pack in time of possession and plays per game. The offense is designed around misdirection and pace, but he mostly only runs the HUNH in early downs and especially across midfield when he feels like he's got the defense on their heels.

He slows down the pace situationally, either when the offense is inconsistent or more commonly, unfortunately, when his own defense has been failing to get stops. Auburn's main problem on offense last year was inconsistent offensive line play leading to uncapitalized red zone opportunities. I feel like many of the complaints are from uninformed casual observers who are subscribing to a misguided narrative to fit their agenda, which I suppose is to be expected.



That's pretty much how every HUNH team operates. We don't run HUNH all the time either. We use tempo as a weapon when he have a defense on it's heels.
Posted by 12thFairway
Member since May 2015
745 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:28 am to
stevo1905-
Is Gus' offense predicated on handicapping the defense? Yes or no. We both know the answer is
YES". Gus wants to eliminate defensive scheming and defensive down and distance substitutions. That destroys the defenses ability to defend - and turns the game into an offensive contest. That's not a fair contest.

I repeat my question: Why would any kid who plays defense want to play for a coach who devalues his contributions to the game of college football?
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 1:33 am
Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:32 am to
When has the offense NOT had the element of surprise in football? They know what play they're running and where it's going. Defense has always been about educated guessing.
Posted by 12thFairway
Member since May 2015
745 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:35 am to
The offense should have the element of surprise - but not the ability to handicap the defense with offensive control of tempo and substitution.
Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:37 am to
The offense doesn't get to substitute for down and distance either when they're playing tempo.
Posted by 12thFairway
Member since May 2015
745 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:39 am to
The combination of control of element of surprise, tempo, and substitution is too much for a defense to overcome. It is not a fair contest under those circumstances. It's rigged in favor of the offense.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
33734 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:39 am to
quote:

Gus Malzahn clearly only cares about OFFENSE.


not totally accurate.

special teams won the iron bowl (toilet bowl) a few years ago.

Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:44 am to
quote:

The combination of control of element of surprise, tempo, and substitution is too much for a defense to overcome. It is not a fair contest under those circumstances. It's rigged in favor of the offense.


How are some defenses able to overcome it then? I've watched LSU and Florida overcome it repeatedly.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 1:45 am
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:45 am to
quote:

LSU and Florida haven't seemed to struggle with HUNH spread offenses.


Auburn beat LSU 41-7 in 2014
Florida is 0-1 vs Auburn running Malzahn's offense
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8598 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:46 am to
quote:

John Madden tells me you gotta get the ball down the field to score, and Defense just really can't do that unless they have INTs all day, and that's just not realistic.


LSU under Chavis might disagree that it's not realistic.

The OP must be an Arkansas fan, because it sounds like he's describing how Malzahn won at Shiloh with lesser talent.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
18962 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:46 am to
quote:

The offense doesn't get to substitute for down and distance either when they're playing tempo.


This can provide the offense a huge advantage when talking about individual matchups especially motioning RBs to the slot or outside the numbers if a LB has to cover them instead of a nickel corner. That one play can be the difference between a win or loss in the end.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
13910 posts
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:50 am to
Show us on the doll where Gus, Sumlin, and Freeze touched you, Bert.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 1:55 am
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