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re: why was the Iron Bowl never played in Auburn until 1989?

Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:39 am to
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
3606 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:39 am to
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Regardless of how many Bama fans tell you it was 50/50 even split and completely fair and honest, it wasn't.


But, wasn’t that because Auburn fans never bought their 50% allotment?
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
33587 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:39 am to
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Bama was scared


Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21749 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:43 am to
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But, wasn’t that because Auburn fans never bought their 50% allotment?


I don't know what the reason is. But I know that it was never 50/50.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
6843 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:51 am to
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Most of the people in Birmingham with a college education are Auburn fans. Most without one are Bama fans. And 100% of the people who poison trees and murder people over the outcome of a football game are Bama fans.


I married a girl in the 80s. We were together for 4 kids and 22 years. First time I visited her house and met her parents, I walked into the family room. Bo Over Top print on the wall. Orange and blue crocheted afghan on the sofa. And - kid you not - orange and blue tiger paw light switch covers. This was not a man cave but their main family room. I wrote a check - this was a long time ago - for a subscription to ITAT magazine for Christmas for my ex FIL for 20 years.

What’s interesting is not a soul in that house of 6 people attended Auburn, and only my ex and her sister went to any college. FIL was a route carrier for Sunbeam bread. MIL worked at a fabric and sewing shop. Ex wife had one uncle and one cousin who graduated Auburn out of dozens of cousins, etc.

I’m friends with many non-college graduates who are AU fans. Tradesmen, barbers, business owners, all walks of life. I have a bachelor’s degree but a college degree doesn’t impress me that much anymore. This old trope from Auburn fans about their big brother doesn’t affect me, except I think it makes people like you look stupid.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7507 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:16 am to
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2:08 for Auburn
O:52 for Tuscaloosa


LOL. The poster said an hour from Tuscaloosa and 2 hours from Auburn, and you want to argue about a few minutes. When Alabama and UGA play in Atlanta, it's still a neutral site game, and the distance between the two schools and Atlanta is far more than that but I haven't heard anybody crying about it.

I may have missed it but Birmingham is The Iron City. Another poster already noted that it was a neutral game with tickets split between the two teams. So neutral site, split tickets, Iron City = Iron Bowl. It's not difficult to understand.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
45436 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:02 am to
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Neutral site 50 50

I bet you also think Biden is leading in the polls.

"Neutral"


#FakeNews
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
45436 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:03 am to
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LOL.

2.08

and

0.52


may not compare....
Posted by beeko
Bama
Member since Oct 2018
151 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:11 am to
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auburn was a shite-pile in the middle of a cow pasture is the correct answer. It was a podunk hick town with no paved roads and all their women had extremely large and fat ankles which scared many civilized folks.


LMFAO! Great reply!
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 8:13 am
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3999 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:31 am to
Now that the children have had their turn.
Always been political.
The football rivalry evolved out of a bitter debate, which took place in the state Legislature over the location of the new land-grant college created under the Morrill Land Grant Act of 1862.
It seemed the Legislature, heavily influenced by members who were alumni of the University of Alabama, wanted the new school to be in Tuscaloosa, where it would be under the influence of the more-established local university.
The debate lasted more than four years, until Lee County and the city of Auburn won in 1872 by donating more than 100 acres and the existing buildings of the East Alabama Male College.
The Legislature continued to play politics with the new school, aptly named the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Alabama, by withholding funding and putting the school on the verge of financial collapse.
If that occurred, then it would fall under the control of the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa. In 1907, the Legislature attempted to move the new land grant school to Birmingham and when that ploy failed, they again sabotaged the funding to Auburn but the University of Alabama remained fully endowed thanks again to alumni in the Legislature.
In 1915, funding was again withheld from Auburn, but the school was allocated a portion of the tax revenue on fertilizer and farm equipment sales.
Nevertheless, the Auburn faculty perceived it as an insult and just another petty attack on Auburn’s existence as an institute of higher learning by the Legislature and resented the control exercised by the Alabama alumni members.
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3999 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:34 am to
In 1947, the Legislature passed a resolution encouraging the schools to resume the series but had to threaten to defund both schools to make it happen in 1948. The site of Birmingham was selected because Legion Field held 44,000, plus Alabama’s refusal to travel to Auburn because of the difficulty of reaching the eastern part of the state at the time.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
45436 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:35 am to
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LMFAO! Great reply!

UAT giggling like a bunch of school girls despite their crime infested shithole.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7507 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:57 am to
quote:

Always been political.



In all that talk about the legislature you conveniently left out the part that the legislature forced the game to be played again, starting in the 1940s, because Auburn's program was basiclly an also ran, and Alabama was the best program in the conference, and elite nationwide (go figure).

Alabama had not played Auburn from 1907 to 1948, when the state of Alabama legislature forced the game to be resumed for the benefit of Alabama Polytechnic Institute, which in 1960 became known as Auburn University. In that time frame, 1907-1948, Alabama won more games than any team except Notre Dame, with a won loss record of 277-79. Auburn lanquished down at #42 in the nation, with a won loss record of 203-146.

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Alabama also won national titles in 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, according to the most recognized sources of that time.

So Auburn was not a good team in that timeframe, judging by the won loss record, and Alabama was a very good team. Other than the fact that playing The University of Alabama helped to prop up Auburn, AU was lucky not to have been playing Alabama during that time frame, because it's nearly certain that the series record of 50-37-1 would have been way more one sided, favoring The University of Alabama.

Still, the game was called the Iron Bowl because it was a neutral site, split tickets, and in a city known as The Iron City.

This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 9:02 am
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3999 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:01 am to
Fast forward to 1970
Bryant Denny seated 60,210 with wooden bleachers in both end zones. Auburn seated 61,261 with no wooden bleachers. This brought Georgia Tech to Auburn for 1st time in 1970. Tennessee came in 1974. Bama was still playing the big games in Legion Field and continued do so until 2003.
Auburn expanded further in 1980 seating 2,000 more than Legion Field including lighting.
In 1988 JH capacity was 85,214 to Bryant Denny’s 70,123.
1998- JH capacity was 85,214 to BD’s 83,818.
Auburn has not had a major expansion since the 80’s. Bama has had 3-4. Denny did not surpass Auburn until 2006.




Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3999 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:06 am to
I will have you for lunch!

Meanwhile, Alabama was on an unprecedented roll. The Crimson Tide ripped off 14-straight winning seasons, captured four Southeastern Conferences championships and added two more national titles in 1934 and 1941 under Coach Frank Thomas. Despite Alabama's success, Auburn wanted to renew the series in 1944. This time, Alabama said no.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7507 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:07 am to
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I will have you for lunch!


well that's silly. Reminds me of junior high school.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27707 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:15 am to
quote:

married a girl in the 80s. We were together for 4 kids and 22 years. First time I visited her house and met her parents, I walked into the family room. Bo Over Top print on the wall. Orange and blue crocheted afghan on the sofa. And - kid you not - orange and blue tiger paw light switch covers. This was not a man cave but their main family room. I wrote a check - this was a long time ago - for a subscription to ITAT magazine for Christmas for my ex FIL for 20 years. What’s interesting is not a soul in that house of 6 people attended Auburn, and only my ex and her sister went to any college. FIL was a route carrier for Sunbeam bread. MIL worked at a fabric and sewing shop. Ex wife had one uncle and one cousin who graduated Auburn out of dozens of cousins, etc. I’m friends with many non-college graduates who are AU fans. Tradesmen, barbers, business owners, all walks of life. I have a bachelor’s degree but a college degree doesn’t impress me that much anymore. This old trope from Auburn fans about their big brother doesn’t affect me, except I think it makes people like you look stupid.


Exactly.

My grandma and grandpa were diehard auburn fans. They never attended any college at all.
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3999 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:16 am to
Based on your post… it’s the only way to relate to you.
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
3295 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:19 am to
Lol..yes..au couldn't sell their..suck then suck now...suck
Posted by Gunga Din
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2020
2494 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:21 am to
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Auburn is the only school who pitched a fit about a neutral site. OU-Texas, UF-UGA, other big names do it every year yet Barners were the only ones who pitched a baby fit about it being in Birmingham


Actually, as an OU fan this thread is interesting with the Bammers "insisting that the game in Birmingham was "neutral" and the Barners insisting that it wasn't.

OU fans KNOW that Dallas isn't a "neutral" site... This despite the fact that the Cotton Bowl is 50/50. You are playing in the State Fair of TEXAS... with a giant Texas flag flying overhead... The Dallas papers ALWAYS refer to it as the "Texas-OU game/weekend" rather than vice versa as do the other media outlets. When you go out to eat... wait staff will be wearing Texas gear around Dallas the night before the game.

These are subtle things that a Texas fan wouldn't notice. Perhaps it was the same for Auburn fans in B'ham...?

At the same time, OU fans realize that there are too many advantages in having the game in Dallas compared to a home and home... that those things are worth dealing with.

Not sure that the Iron Bowl in Birmingham brought those advantages to Auburn in the same way they do for OU playing in Dallas.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7507 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:25 am to
quote:


quote:
Auburn is the only school who pitched a fit about a neutral site. OU-Texas, UF-UGA, other big names do it every year yet Barners were the only ones who pitched a baby fit about it being in Birmingham


Actually, as an OU fan this thread is interesting with the Bammers "insisting that the game in Birmingham was "neutral" and the Barners insisting that it wasn't.

OU fans KNOW that Dallas isn't a "neutral" site... This despite the fact that the Cotton Bowl is 50/50. You are playing in the State Fair of TEXAS... with a giant Texas flag flying overhead...

Perhaps it was the same for Auburn fans in B'ham...?



obviously, due to the fact OU plays in the state of Texas, and Auburn was still playing in the state of Alabama, it isn't the same.
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