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re: Why is Alabama scared to play Florida more often?

Posted on 5/31/12 at 10:58 am to
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3255 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 10:58 am to
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CD games shouldn't count.


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We didn't argue this.


Fine, you argued that they shouldn't count as much.

Either way, that's a totally different subject than doing away with the permanent CDs.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 10:58 am to
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Because Florida has a recruiting base thats about a billion time better than UT's

So we are going to ignore 100 years of history and just predict the future based on a stronger local recruiting base?
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 10:58 am to
I don't think I've ever seen a small group of fans so scared to play someone every year. Heck Bama is the only team to have to face Florida twice in a season to win the SEC CG, you didn't see either team whining or crying about that. Bama just went out and took care of business and Fla moved on and won a couple NC's after it. I'm starting to get really embarrassed for you.
Posted by jatebe
Queen of Links
Member since Oct 2008
18486 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 10:59 am to
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LSU would be the only team in America that has to play 5 of the last 6 national champions every year!
Only 3 schools. Bama, UF, and AU.
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 10:59 am to
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Because Florida has a recruiting base thats about a billion time better than UT's


Tennessee has always had a limited recruiting base. It hasn't stopped them from recruiting top 10 classes, owning the series vs LSU, and maintaining a solid 2nd place in the SEC over the decades
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
101455 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:00 am to
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Did So Car drive to Fayetteville? Will they have to drive to College Station? It is 909 vs 1035. That isn't much longer in the air


Sure if you compare them to one another. But compare them to travel times between the other universities.

LSU-FLA is nothing in travel time compared to SC-A&M
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154430 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:00 am to
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Because Florida has a recruiting base thats about a billion time better than UT's


We do indeed and recruiting is going very well. Boom may not take us to the tippy top but he's going to have the athletes to do it.

We are one class and one decent OC away (maybe it's Pease) from finding out where end up for the next couple of years.

I don't want to stop playing LSU FWIW even though we are down. I like the game.

I'm just happy Charlie Weis is gone.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
101455 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:00 am to
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Either way, that's a totally different subject than doing away with the permanent CDs.


They tie in together easily. How you don't see this is beyond me.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30749 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:00 am to
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UF fans are probably pretty flattered that LSU is acting this way


I cannot believe what I'm seeing. I'm just sitting back laughing. Absolutely ridiculous. This expansion gives LSU an "excuse" now to want to stop playing UF, and they're trying to exploit it.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
87818 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:01 am to
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Tennessee has always had a limited recruiting base. It hasn't stopped them from recruiting top 10 classes, owning the series vs LSU, and maintaining a solid 2nd place in the SEC over the decades


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So we are going to ignore 100 years of history and just predict the future based on a stronger local recruiting base?


Considering that until college football coverage greatly expanded in the early 2000's UT had the "but we're on TV" to sell to recruits and before that teams were all white and the difference was negligible, yes. They are going to be down for a long time. Like Notre Dame down. It's not like Bama pre-Saban at all.
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 11:02 am
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3255 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:02 am to
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LSU-FLA is nothing in travel time compared to SC-A&M


This is why A&M and USC have a legit gripe with the permanent CDs.

I, for one, don't know why Bama, UT, UGA, and AU can't all play 6-1-1 and the other ten play 6-2.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22292 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:02 am to
I'm almost now to the point of saying frick it, scrap the divisions and let the teams schedule each other. Top two records with the highest BCS rankings play for the SEC title. Yes, it would be an orgy of confusion, but at least you can't complain about being forced to play or not play someone.
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
25798 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:02 am to
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If UT was your #1 rival I would get that, but they aren't.



Then this is where you fail. UT is our #1 rival according to a lot of 'Bama fans. A lot of times our rivals are 1a. and 1b. Lots of respect and hate for both Auburn and Tennessee. Most Alabama fans will also say that while we enjoy UT being down. We do want them to go back up. That's how rivalries work.

Tennessee/Alabama/Auburn = historically has ran shite in the SEC. Now, UF is up there with us.

As far as UT being a permanent game, there is not one SINGLE reason why it shouldn't be. The SEC/CFB in general is built on tradition. The SEC wouldn't be where it is without the tradition it is based on. That is why more people get into CFB more so than the NFL. There are no rivalry games in the NFL that rivals college football rivalries.

From a business standpoint. UT/UF/'Bama have made the biggest impact on the SEC. The SEC is going to cater to the big names because it's smart business.

LSU has no in-state rival. Outside of Arkansas, LSU has no other rival. The SEC is presenting LSU with a opportunity to build another rivalry and have one of the best rivalries in CFB. Why not just STFU and take the opportunity ?

As far as the Bama-UF thing. It's the Old Guard v the New Guard. While it's always a tough game and sucks when we lose. Most Alabama fans LOVE playing UF. Especially in the SECCG. It's kind of a championship rivalry. From a 'Bama standpoint, Bama and UF is how it is SUPPOSE to be in the SECCG. It's always a big game especially, in terms of recruiting.


TL;DR version. According to some, 'Bama's #1 rival is UT. Tennessee won't be down for long, too much history and tradition. LSU is presented with a new rivalry, take it. 'Bama loves playing against UF.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30749 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:02 am to
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I'm just happy Charlie Weis is gone.


Pretty much sums it up for me. Well done.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
87818 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:03 am to
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A lot of times our rivals are 1a. and 1b.


You don't get 2 number 1 rivals dude
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:03 am to
The real laugher will be if LSU cries enough to get 6-2 and Vandy and Kentucky roll on Bama's schedule while LSU plays UF and UGA one year. 6-1-1 preserves traditional rivalries (what makes CFB a unique product from the NFL) and most importantly ensures that all 3 teams from each division that have an actual shot at winning the SEC play at least one tough game a year from the opposite division.

I love how Miles cries that it is not fair for Miss St to play Kentucky every year, as if he is scared of State and that State has any actual chance of winning the SEC. LSU/UF could be a great rivalry, but instead LSU fans make it #7 on their annual bitch list.
Posted by bona fide
Burma
Member since Jun 2010
8972 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:04 am to
21-0, the gift that keeps giving.


UT is getting killed every year by Bama yet none are complaining about the schedule.

LSU
Posted by GoBigOrange86
Meine sich're Zuflucht
Member since Jun 2008
14488 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:04 am to
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Considering that until college football coverage greatly expanded in the early 2000's UT had the "but we're on TV" to sell to recruits and before that teams were all white and the difference was negligible, yes. They are going to be down for a long time. Like Notre Dame down. It's not like Bama pre-Saban at all.


This suggests that Tennessee has done nothing to adapt, which is simply not true. We're putting the finishing touches on one of the finest athletic centers in all of the country, we devote a massive amount of our budget to recruiting since we cannot rely on local talent, and we have continued to attract some top-tier talent in spite of the fact that we've been nothing special in the last several years.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3255 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:04 am to
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They tie in together easily. How you don't see this is beyond me.


They tie together only if USC's gripe with the permanent CDs is the same as LSU's: that they have too tough a draw, and it hurts their chances to win their division.

If their argument is about travel between Columbia and College Station, then that doesn't translate into discounting both of the CD games.
Posted by Waffle House
NYC
Member since Aug 2008
3983 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 11:05 am to
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Sure if you compare them to one another. But compare them to travel times between the other universities.

LSU-FLA is nothing in travel time compared to SC-A&M


I don't disagree with that at all. But looking at how the opponents were set up, they were traditional rivals first, historic SEC teams second and also competitive based on how good the teams were in general (Yes I am trolling Ole Miss with that.)

I personally would have preferred that they intermingled the non big6 historic SEC teams with the new additions back in '92, but they didn't. It seems that they are taking steps to attempt to not repeat that mistake by having the new additions play teams that at least have a 20 year SEC base.
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