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re: Why does everyone think Bama will just run all over OU?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:33 am to lewis and herschel
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:33 am to lewis and herschel
quote:Yall got dick slapped by LSU. Think about that
They are going to kill OU. Fine by me, maybe the committee will learn that best 4 teams is best 4 teams and not the 3 teams who had a easier path.
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:33 am to PrivatePublic
OU gave up 40 points to a team that has not scored 40+ since 2011 and easily one of, if not the worst P5 football teams in the last decade. The team that they let score 40 on them lost to Nicholls State. What else needs to be said?
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:34 am to CharlotteSooner
Yes, but OU will give him both the run and the pass because the defense is so terrible. Maybe it's a brilliant strategy, where Bama doesn't know whether to run or pass! What do you do when the WR's are trotting all alone downfield, and there is 15 yards of real estate for the RB's to roam free?
Decisions, decisions ...
Decisions, decisions ...
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Correct - and a large chunk of our playbook is literally an option to do that during the play.
Exactly. And in no way is that similar to the old iteration of Saban's offenses from 4-5 (and beyond) years ago. That guy made a clown statement and told ME I was the dumb one. He doesn't even understand his own team.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:37 am to CharlotteSooner
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Exactly. And in no way is that similar to the old iteration of Saban's offenses from 4-5 (and beyond) years ago. That guy made a clown statement and told ME I was the dumb one. He doesn't even understand his own team.
Yea honestly, we haven't been a "run the ball then play action off of it" team since AJ McCarron (and McElwain/Nuss) left.
Once Kiffin came in 2014 we left that in the past for good. It's the right move, but I will admit there are times when it is frustrating to not be able to impose our will running the football in the same way we used to.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:38 am to CharlotteSooner
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and told ME I was the dumb one
don't get all cocky. You only know what Gary Danielson tells you
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:38 am to lsupride87
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Yall got dick slapped by LSU. Think about that
And you got beat by Florida, but after that a lot of your fans were starting threads hypothesizing about going to the playoffs.
I mean, we got beat half to death by Auburn last year and still was one of the top 4 teams.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:39 am to CharlotteSooner
From Ben Jones:
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Damien Harris is second in SEC history in yards per carry among backs with 400+ carries. He averages 6.54 yards per carry. First place is Bo Jackson, who averaged 6.62 yards.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:41 am to CharlotteSooner
You know....you did this last year, too. Why don't you cool your heels and talk after the game if Oklahoma wins? Instead you talk before the game and then have to eat huge helpings of crow afterwards.
Yes, you took it like a man last year, but to be honest? if you keep talking and get beat again most of us won't let you forget it this year.
You already got your one pass. A second one won't be forthcoming.
Yes, you took it like a man last year, but to be honest? if you keep talking and get beat again most of us won't let you forget it this year.
You already got your one pass. A second one won't be forthcoming.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea honestly, we haven't been a "run the ball then play action off of it" team since AJ McCarron (and McElwain/Nuss) left.
This is precisely correct.
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Once Kiffin came in 2014 we left that in the past for good. It's the right move, but I will admit there are times when it is frustrating to not be able to impose our will running the football in the same way we used to.
This is also correct. See? A Bama fan who knows what he's talking about.
And I can tell you where it's going to go. The frustration with the running game will be addressed. Nick Saban is not stupid. He will move to a more power based running game and away from inside/outside zone running, like we did. That gives you the best of both worlds.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:46 am to CharlotteSooner
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And I can tell you where it's going to go. The frustration with the running game will be addressed. Nick Saban is not stupid. He will move to a more power based running game and away from inside/outside zone running, like we did. That gives you the best of both worlds.
We still run the football well, and we do it against just about everybody. But there is just a limit when the majority of your playbook is RPO based/zone blocking. And the mashing everyone we play (including great run defenses) of the 2009/2012 teams is gone and never coming back.
It's a shot in the nuts to watch a 1st half like we had vs Georgia when the other team lines up in the 1 back with 2 tight ends and just runs hammer at you. But, in the end, the ability to weather that storm and strike explosively (the point of the new offense) is what won us that football game.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:48 am to CharlotteSooner
quote:The point I am trying to make, and you are so very clearly missing, is that Saban's desired style has not changed. Modified for having a generational talent at qb, sure.
It's disturbing that some of your fans think that's still Nicks M.O.
quote:Again, you insist that the makeup of the team has changed. You are simply wrong. And continue to prove that you know absolutely nothing about which you speak. Just because we are throwing the ball in no way negates the years of offensive recruiting focused on power running first. It's tough to be the underdog, I get it, but you shouldn't let your melt continue for too long. It's just not healthy.
He has changed everything about your team, on both sides of the ball, in clear view of the entire world.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We still run the football well, and we do it against just about everybody. But there is just a limit when the majority of your playbook is RPO based/zone blocking. And the mashing everyone we play (including great run defenses) of the 2009/2012 teams is gone and never coming back.
I wouldn't say that. The upgraded passing game will keep defense from being able to load the box at any time, or at least pick their poison and live with the consequences. You can run the ball well using a zone run scheme, and you have, but I bet Nick changes the running game to a power based run scheme and away from zone.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:52 am to Bamadiver
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The point I am trying to make, and you are so very clearly missing, is that Saban's desired style has not changed. Modified for having a generational talent at qb, sure.
horseshite. That's YOUR desired style and you don't want to accept that Saban moved on from it. You should to.
The modifications to your offense, including the recruitment of Tua himself, were all by design.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:56 am to Vecchio Cane
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Texas ran it down OU's throat. Texas
The Texas offensive line is below average, and they don't have a single legit Running Back, but Texas has a pretty good running QB. He is 6'3" and about 230 and runs well. He was their best running threat in both games against Oklahoma, and will probably run well against Georgia (Texas will lose that game by 20 points - calm down).
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:58 am to CharlotteSooner
quote:The melt continues.
horseshite.
Only substantive change made is moving our d makeup to lighter and faster athletes to counter the RPO offense.
Yes, the offensive philosophies have been modifed to use the RPO with Jalen, and to stretch the field with Tua, but the physicality of the offense is still there. Neither of those two QBs can be found in great supply and Saban knows it.
The question is why does everyone think Bama will just run all over OU? The answer is because it can, and it doesn't have to do anything special to do so. Pretty much any team can.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:04 pm to PrivatePublic
Simple really
Have you watched both teams play?
Have you watched both teams play?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:06 pm to Bamadiver
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Only substantive change made is moving our d makeup to lighter and faster athletes to counter the RPO offense.
No it isn't. You run a lot of nickle and dime packages now and shift your personnel into 4-2-5 alignments. That's an entire schematic difference from what you used to run.
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Yes, the offensive philosophies have been modifed to use the RPO with Jalen, and to stretch the field with Tua, but the physicality of the offense is still there.
Now we're talking about physicality? My how those goal posts keep moving.
You said you had a run first offense that throws only when it has to which is not the case. Now you're moving the goal posts to physicality.
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Neither of those two QBs can be found in great supply and Saban knows it.
Nonsense.
Those kinds of QBs are all over the state of TX.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:09 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Correct. That's because Bama's offensive philosophy is clearly not "run first and throw only when necessary" anymore. It's disturbing that some of your fans think that's still Nicks M.O. He has changed everything about your team, on both sides of the ball, in clear view of the entire world.
The problem here is you don't think Alabama can run a power running game. Yes, Alabama is much more balanced this year, which causes an even bigger matchup problem for OU, not the other way around. If Alabama cared to do it or if Hurts was stull the QB, they'd still run the ball down teams throats like they always have. But, lucky for them, they don't need to play like that anymore.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:09 pm to CharlotteSooner
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the state of TX.
I think we have found the answer to your original question "Why does everyone think..."
Our only SEC exposure to the great state of TX does not play, shall we say, physical or imposing football. So forgive us for being skeptical of a team full of Texans.
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