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re: Why do Texas and Arkansas fans hate each other?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:23 pm to dchog
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:23 pm to dchog
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Arkansas and Ole Miss were like that in the early 60s. A brawl started in the stadium in Little Rock.
My Pops told me about this. He said it was so nasty that the game was not continued because of brawls in the stands. It’s not like that now obviously but definitely both fan bases don’t like each other virtually at least. Most Ark fans that come here are classy but I’ve heard it’s rough in Little Rock but that may be a Little Rock thing more than anything else as I’ve seen vids of Ark fans brawling each other more than anyone else there.
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Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:27 pm to JustAnotherName
A unwritten rule was that no ref from Arkansas could call games in the SWC. Arkansas had zero pull in the SWC and weren't involved with the massive cheating in the 80s. Frank Broyles saw that it was headed for collapse and Arkansas would be left out. So the talk was that Broyles was in contact with the Big 8 but some schools blocked it from happening. So the SEC was the only option left. Frank had a huge influence in college football and pulled strings with Roy Kramer. Then Arkansas found a home in the SEC.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:31 pm to ShowMeHorns
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Nailed it
Why would you talk about your mom like that
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:33 pm to dchog
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A unwritten rule was that no ref from Arkansas could call games in the SWC.
Yes. Imagine as an SEC fan playing every game against teams from Alabama, and every referee squad being made up solely of people from Alabama. That's the kind of frickery Arkansas dealt with in the SWC.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:38 pm to BurnsideStyle
It was nasty in Jackson as I was told stories of Ole Miss fans making hand to palm gestures as Arkansas fans were walking to the game. A lot of fist fights between both fans.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:53 pm to Numberwang
That is one of the many reasons Frank tried to get Arkansas to leave as early as the 70s. It was a bout politics and Arkansas was getting screwed at everything. Remember the phantom pass interference in the early 80s SMU game? The one call that even Keith Jackson said was a terrible call? The university raised hell and that ref was fired. Had Arkansas not done anything then he would have gotten away with it. Texas will take care of other Texas teams while Arkansas had no say in what went on.
The move to the SEC gave Arkansas breathing room as other SEC powers weren't located in one state. Arkansas is and is still seen as an outsider but at least they could have a voice unlike the Texas conference where shenanigans were done.
The move to the SEC gave Arkansas breathing room as other SEC powers weren't located in one state. Arkansas is and is still seen as an outsider but at least they could have a voice unlike the Texas conference where shenanigans were done.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:58 pm to V Bainbridge
For reference.
Total Points in All AP Polls: 1960 to 1969
RK Team Points Behind*
1. Texas 32,614
2. USC 29,609
3. Ohio State 28,320
4. Alabama 25,647
5. Notre Dame 22,637
6. Arkansas 21,050
7. Penn State 16,771
8. Mississippi 16,405
9. Michigan State 15,489
10. Purdue 13,392
Total Points in All AP Polls: 1970 to 1979
RK Team Points
1. Oklahoma 117,902
2. Michigan 108,726
3. Alabama 104,109
4. Ohio State 102,222
5. Nebraska 97,002
6. USC 92,768
7. Texas 73,919
8. Notre Dame 65,788
9. Penn State 61,760
10. Arkansas 39,155
Total Points in All AP Polls: 1980 to 1989
RK Team Points
1. Nebraska 148,651
2. Oklahoma 111,283
3. Miami (FL) 110,384
4. Michigan 92,263
5. Auburn 87,789
6. Alabama 87,236
7. Penn State 84,859
8. Florida State 82,218
9. USC 80,645
10. Notre Dame 78,766
11. Georgia 74,935
12. UCLA 68,562
13. Ohio State 66,495
14. Pittsburgh 60,821
15. Clemson 58,419
16. Texas 57,703
17. Arkansas 56,461
18. Washington 53,863
19. SMU 46,959
20. LSU 46,646
Total Points in All AP Polls: 1960 to 1969
RK Team Points Behind*
1. Texas 32,614
2. USC 29,609
3. Ohio State 28,320
4. Alabama 25,647
5. Notre Dame 22,637
6. Arkansas 21,050
7. Penn State 16,771
8. Mississippi 16,405
9. Michigan State 15,489
10. Purdue 13,392
Total Points in All AP Polls: 1970 to 1979
RK Team Points
1. Oklahoma 117,902
2. Michigan 108,726
3. Alabama 104,109
4. Ohio State 102,222
5. Nebraska 97,002
6. USC 92,768
7. Texas 73,919
8. Notre Dame 65,788
9. Penn State 61,760
10. Arkansas 39,155
Total Points in All AP Polls: 1980 to 1989
RK Team Points
1. Nebraska 148,651
2. Oklahoma 111,283
3. Miami (FL) 110,384
4. Michigan 92,263
5. Auburn 87,789
6. Alabama 87,236
7. Penn State 84,859
8. Florida State 82,218
9. USC 80,645
10. Notre Dame 78,766
11. Georgia 74,935
12. UCLA 68,562
13. Ohio State 66,495
14. Pittsburgh 60,821
15. Clemson 58,419
16. Texas 57,703
17. Arkansas 56,461
18. Washington 53,863
19. SMU 46,959
20. LSU 46,646
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:59 pm to BurnsideStyle
The SWC
Posted on 9/10/21 at 11:01 pm to hogminer
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1960 to 1969
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8. Mississippi 16,405
Wonder what happened after this?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 11:04 pm to dchog
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That is one of the many reasons Frank tried to get Arkansas to leave as early as the 70s.
So Arkansas was trying to escape the political back room stuff that Texas is often accused of to this day?
Somehow Oklahoma it seems knows how to play the game with Texas as does Bama no doubt. That’s your power block in the SEC going forward…those three teams Texas, Bama and Oklahoma. They will have a gentlemen’s agreement and deal with mofos.
The rest of us just have to hope for lighting in a bottle.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 12:00 am to BurnsideStyle
Oklahoma was a maverick program like Miami and both were put on major probation in the 90s. That was back when the NCAA actually enforced the rules. Oklahoma State did as well as a recruit back in the 60s said that he was going to Arkansas despite Oklahoma State giving him free cars. Jimmy Johnson was the coach at Oklahoma State and Miami. Both were put on probation. Frank hired Hatfield instead and Arkansas fans were angry as were Jimmy. But Frank was smart as he feared that his outlaw ways would put Arkansas on probation. It was the same with Switzer.
Frank was prideful but he had the best intentions for Arkansas as he built the program that had zero history to a power in the 60s. He felt that if Arkansas was put on probation for recruiting violations then his legacy would be tarnished forever and so he played it safe.
That doesn't mean that Arkansas didn't cheat it was that they weren't going to be cut throats to achieve success and instead hire solid coaches that wouldn't put the school and state in a negative light. Arkansas besides Rice were the only SWC schools that weren't on probation but yet the SWC blamed Arkansas for the collapse.
Frank was prideful but he had the best intentions for Arkansas as he built the program that had zero history to a power in the 60s. He felt that if Arkansas was put on probation for recruiting violations then his legacy would be tarnished forever and so he played it safe.
That doesn't mean that Arkansas didn't cheat it was that they weren't going to be cut throats to achieve success and instead hire solid coaches that wouldn't put the school and state in a negative light. Arkansas besides Rice were the only SWC schools that weren't on probation but yet the SWC blamed Arkansas for the collapse.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 12:19 am to BurnsideStyle
As a Texas guy who is comfortable in his own shoes, let me be frank. Arkansas is the #1 rival Texas has. Not OU, not A&M.
OU is a great rival, and they are indeed our current nemesis. But the level of real hate is lacking.. Losing to Arkansas, as a Longhorn, is absolutely gut wrenching. And the same is true for Razorbacks. It just IS.
I wish no ill will to Oklahoma.
I want the entire state of Arkansas to die in a trailer fire.
Its how I was raised…
A&M should be the #1 rival of Texas in the mind of any rational person but A&M is not.
Why?
Because through no fault of A&M or Texas, the games never actually meant very much… That is NOT a statement attempting to throw shade at ANYONE. Through a sheer fluke of chance, there has never been a period in football where Texas and A&M were both competing at a very high level at the same time. Bragging rights are one thing, but to have a game, or a series of games, where there are NATIONAL implications… That is the key ingredient. And the lacking ingredient.
OU is a great rival, and they are indeed our current nemesis. But the level of real hate is lacking.. Losing to Arkansas, as a Longhorn, is absolutely gut wrenching. And the same is true for Razorbacks. It just IS.
I wish no ill will to Oklahoma.
I want the entire state of Arkansas to die in a trailer fire.
Its how I was raised…
A&M should be the #1 rival of Texas in the mind of any rational person but A&M is not.
Why?
Because through no fault of A&M or Texas, the games never actually meant very much… That is NOT a statement attempting to throw shade at ANYONE. Through a sheer fluke of chance, there has never been a period in football where Texas and A&M were both competing at a very high level at the same time. Bragging rights are one thing, but to have a game, or a series of games, where there are NATIONAL implications… That is the key ingredient. And the lacking ingredient.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 12:23 am to Eldodroptop
Texas and OU drops off after football
Arkansas doesn’t.
This has a lot to do with the fact that OU and Texas weren’t in the same conference
The level of hate from Arkansas is in every sport
They want to beat Texas in something. Actually one of the main reasons why they got so good in basketball
You see it with Eric Mussleman this week.
Arkansas doesn’t.
This has a lot to do with the fact that OU and Texas weren’t in the same conference
The level of hate from Arkansas is in every sport
They want to beat Texas in something. Actually one of the main reasons why they got so good in basketball
You see it with Eric Mussleman this week.
This post was edited on 9/11/21 at 12:24 am
Posted on 9/11/21 at 12:57 am to Eldodroptop
quote:Damn brah!
I want the entire state of Arkansas to die in a trailer fire.
It is odd that Texas has Jerry World, and the largest Alumni group outside of Ar is in DFW area, and others throughout Texas. I don't hate Texans... I have worked with many whom I have helped, and they helped me as well. Good honest hard working folks.
But in Football, Yep... Let's Get It On! Basketball hasn't worried me, in the next couple of years with Beard, that may change.
Baseball... Not too worried, good rivalry. But Football... We love the David vs Goliath match..
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:04 am to Eldodroptop
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I want the entire state of Arkansas to die in a trailer fire.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:12 am to Riggle
quote:And their refs were BLATANT cheaters.
They're a bunch of punk bitches
Posted on 9/11/21 at 4:12 am to Razorback Reverend
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odd that Texas has Jerry World, and the largest Alumni group outside of Ar is in DFW area, and others throughout Texas.
And With all the Texas students that Arkansas has enrolled over the last decade or so, their alumni money base will do nothing but grow. Students from DFW can get to Fayetteville in 5 hours.
From what I can tell, if a Texas kid (especially in East Texas) can't get into Texas or doesn't want or go to A&M, they go to Arkansas now.
Why Arkansas doesn't recruit this area harder, is just perplexing to me. All of east Texas is a hotbed for talent. Only one coach, Chad, understood that since Petrino. Too bad he had a legit case for being the worst coach in SEC history, becuase he had the recruiting figured out.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 4:17 am to BurnsideStyle
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Why do Texas and Arkansas fans hate each other?
Because the Longhorns deserve the hate.
We haven't forgotten.
This post was edited on 9/11/21 at 5:06 am
Posted on 9/11/21 at 4:32 am to BigFatPig
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I am now looking forward to going in dry on y'all every year. The most entitled bunch of pussies in all of sport. I hope, and expect, every single one of our SEC brethren will treat you like the bitches you are.
A&M has taken your place sips.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 6:25 am to BurnsideStyle
After one summer of Texas posters and I consider Arky's history with them. I have dealt with them one summer and I hate them, these guy share a border and once shared a conference with those arse hats. It is no wonder to me.
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