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Why do Nick Saban asst coaches make terrible Head Coaches?

Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:28 am
Posted by TigerFan244
Member since Jan 2012
2591 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:28 am
Kirby, Mcelwain, Muschamp.....all mediocre at best as head coaches. Papa Saban's greatness not rubbing off? Whats the deal?
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18157 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:29 am to
Jimbo
Posted by ATLdawg25
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2014
4370 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:30 am to
True. We can't all be so lucky to have a coach who has gone 13-26 in his SEC head coaching career.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 8:32 am
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
10850 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:31 am to
Nick didn't hire them to be future head coaches, he hired them to be good coordinators, which they were.
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:32 am to
Mark Dantonio
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
Member since Sep 2016
5740 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Kirby, Mcelwain, Muschamp


Kirby has been the coach at Georgia for roughly 30 minutes.

McElwain is 16-6 (11-3) at Florida in 2.5 years. He took over a Colorado State program that had gone 9-27 the previous 3 years and took them to 2 bowl games in 3 years, going 10-2 his last year there. What a bum.

This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 8:35 am
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:34 am to
Jason Garrett

Not a huge fan personally, but he has 6+ seasons of over .500 football in the NFL.
Posted by DanMullins4Life
Member since Oct 2012
3168 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:34 am to
It's tough to coach when you can't just out-talent everyone. Hence why Nick was absolute garbage in the NFL.
Posted by Iron Lion
North of the river
Member since Nov 2014
11800 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:35 am to
Why do lsu fans make such terrible posters?
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18157 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:36 am to
Jim McElwain also has 2x 10 win seasons, has won the SEC east once, and may do it again.

Yes, the East may be the worst Div of the power 5, but I wouldn't sign him up as terrible just yet.

And, I'd add Dooley to the bad list
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 8:46 am
Posted by 33inNC
Charlotte, NC
Member since Mar 2011
4986 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:39 am to
Same reason some of his former players struggle, they are used to being micro-managed by Saban.

Some are able to adjust and others cannot succeed with the "freedom". They need everything planned out and once that goes away, they don't know where to start.

See: Trent Richardson. He admitted that he was pulled in too many directions and lost focus.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 8:46 am
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:40 am to
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It's tough to coach when you can't just out-talent everyone. Hence why Nick was absolute garbage in the NFL.


Steve Spurrier went to the NFL, came back and kicked arse.
Nick Saban went to the NFL, came back and kicked arse.
Bobby Petrino went to the NFL, came back and kicked arse.
Jim Harbaugh went to the NFL, came back and kicked arse.

Someday you people will realize that the NFL and the NCAA are two totally different games.

Also if I'm LSU and aware of the information above, I'm knocking on Chip Kelly's door right now with a blank check in my hand.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:41 am to
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TigerFan244


quote:

Why do Nick Saban asst coaches make terrible Head Coaches? by TigerFan244


Horrible, pathetic troll thread.
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
Member since Nov 2004
15478 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:41 am to
Why do LSU fans look for anything to convince themselves that Nick Saban is not a great coach, even if it doesn't at all relate to Nick Saban as a head coach?

If every Saban assistant from here to eternity is a bust, and every Alabama player in the NFL gets cut, and every "Gump" lives in a trailer and beats his sister...

...does that mean Nick Saban must not be good? Does that validate your corndog arse in any way?
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Why do LSU fans look for anything to convince themselves that Nick Saban is not a great coach, even if it doesn't at all relate to Nick Saban as a head coach?


These are the same people that convinced themselves that Ed fricking Orgeron was the answer to their coaching situation.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
Member since Mar 2010
5181 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:47 am to
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Hence why Nick was absolute garbage in the NFL.



All these years and people still believe this lie. 15-17 over two seasons is not garbage.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:53 am to
quote:

Same reason some of his former players struggle,


Some of his former players struggle because the NFL the peak of football. Go back and look at the 1st round for each of the last 10 years. You'll find that roughly 40% of the players - regardless of where they went to college - who were taken in the 1st round were out of the league within 6 years. This isn't a Saban or Bama thing. It's an NFL thing. It just seems magnified b/c Bama puts more players in the league.

For every "bust" (trent and ??) I can list 3 very good to solid players.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42318 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:54 am to
Because Saban runs the show, he has never really had a defensive coordinator, only in name only.

Kiffin is great under Saban's control but I don't see Kiffin being successful as a head coach even though offers will come. He's a loose cannon that Saban has masterfully reined in and used for his benefit.
Posted by shawnwhite
Member since Aug 2016
76 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:57 am to
McElwain will be a very good coach once he gets a QB with a pulse.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30179 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:58 am to
quote:

Papa Saban
LSU would take him back in a heartbeat.

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