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Why did Bert fail?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:04 pm
I remember when Bert was hired the national media was impressed but the SEC Rant wasn't. I remember themes like:
"You can't out Bama Bama"
"Arkansas can't recruit well enough to run his style in the SEC."
"He lucked into those Rose Bowls at a program where the coach matters less. He isn't a good coach."
Was one of those reasons why he failed, or was it something else we never saw coming?
"You can't out Bama Bama"
"Arkansas can't recruit well enough to run his style in the SEC."
"He lucked into those Rose Bowls at a program where the coach matters less. He isn't a good coach."
Was one of those reasons why he failed, or was it something else we never saw coming?
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:05 pm to cardboardboxer
Arkansas
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:06 pm to cardboardboxer
He didn’t recruit Texas hard enough and it created a talent deficit.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:06 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:07 pm to cardboardboxer
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"Arkansas can't recruit well enough to run his style in the SEC."
This was his problem
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:08 pm to parrothead
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He didn’t recruit Texas hard enough and it created a talent deficit.
That can't be it.
Texas doesn't have the kind of talent needed to run Bert's system. At least not at the level of recruits that Arkansas could reasonably recruit.
Now if you said "Bert's system didn't work well for the Texas talent that Arky relies on" then I would agree.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:08 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:This did him in.
"Arkansas can't recruit well enough to run his style in the SEC."
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:09 pm to cardboardboxer
It’s arkansas
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:09 pm to cardboardboxer
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I remember when Bert was hired the national media was impressed but the SEC Rant wasn't.
I think you are confusing two different things. The media was more surprised than anything imo.
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"You can't out Bama Bama"
Dumb, he didn't fail because he lost to Bama. He failed because he lost to almost everyone.
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"Arkansas can't recruit well enough to run his style in the SEC."
Arkansas has a hard enough time with recruiting regardless of style
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"He lucked into those Rose Bowls at a program where the coach matters less. He isn't a good coach."
Maybe a little luck but that had more to do with a down league.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:10 pm to cardboardboxer
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Texas doesn't have the kind of talent needed to run Bert's system
If you get the right players, it certainly does
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:11 pm to cardboardboxer
Bert actually recruited very well on paper. Strength and conditioning was a big reason for his failure imo. They were trying to make the entire team bodybuilders.
Bert's bend but don't break and never blitz style of defense sucked outside of one year too. Way too passive on defense.
Bert's bend but don't break and never blitz style of defense sucked outside of one year too. Way too passive on defense.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:13 pm to Porcine Human
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Strength and conditioning was a big reason for his failure imo. They were trying to make the entire team bodybuilders.
This as well, you can really tell how the team got slower throughout his years here. There wasn't a good balance.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:15 pm to rockiee
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If you get the right players, it certainly does
Yeah but it isn't fair to say that its Bert's fault that Arky didn't get those players. He never had a chance, no Arky coach does.
The kind of Texas players that are so talented that they will work in any system are the top 50 nationally five star type players that are going to Bama, Ohio St. OU or LSU long before they go to Arkansas (or A&M most years).
Now if you want to say that Bert couldn't leverage all the three and four star spread offense Texas players that Arky could recruit naturally I would agree 100%.
But saying his failure was one of recruiting is like saying the reason I am not dating a supermodel is because my game is too weak when the reality is my bank account is too weak for a supermodel.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:22 pm to cardboardboxer
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Yeah but it isn't fair to say that its Bert's fault that Arky didn't get those players. He never had a chance, no Arky coach does.
Eh, they are harder to find at lower levels but they are still there. I guess you are just referring to the very top talent. You have to develop most of them but that shouldn't be taken out of this equation.
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But saying his failure was one of recruiting is like saying the reason I am not dating a supermodel is because my game is too weak when the reality is my bank account is too weak for a supermodel.
I would never say that is the only reason, was just refuting your point about only the top high school players in Texas could fit a style like Bert's
Another problem is that, like Texas, Arkansas has a ton of spread influence. Obviously Arkansas talent as a whole is bad but you are always going to have to rely on it to some degree as the Arkansas coach. That wasn't helpful either.
Anyone pushing one narrative about why he failed is looking at this way too black and white. The whole out Bama, Bama thing is really dumb because we were closer to beating Bama with Bert than we were with Petrino.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:25 pm to cardboardboxer
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"He lucked into those Rose Bowls at a program where the coach matters less. He isn't a good coach."
There was nothing lucky about 2010 and 2011 Wisconsin. Those teams were awesome. 2012 was the one they lucked into because OSU was on probation
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:29 pm to cardboardboxer
I immediately read 'fail' as 'fall' when concerning Fat Bert.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:34 pm to rockiee
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You have to develop most of them but that shouldn't be taken out of this equation.
I guess you are right. That was the secret behind Gary Pinkel's Mizzou: coaching up midtier Texas talent.
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Another problem is that, like Texas, Arkansas has a ton of spread influence. Obviously Arkansas talent as a whole is bad but you are always going to have to rely on it to some degree as the Arkansas coach. That wasn't helpful either.
That has to give you hope with your new coach though.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:34 pm to cardboardboxer
He was too concerned about what everyone else was doing instead of his football team
Too concerned being the center of attention
Too concerned being the center of attention
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:34 pm to cardboardboxer
Because he's a shitty coach that had never built a program before and was in way over his head.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:35 pm to cardboardboxer
his belly is big and he leaned too far forward?
oh you said fail
maybe the fall happened and then he couldn't get up thus failure
oh you said fail
maybe the fall happened and then he couldn't get up thus failure
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 12:36 pm
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