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re: Why are Florida fans so anal about Trask?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:31 pm to Notrub14
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:31 pm to Notrub14
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The Heisman isn't a most valuable player award. It's supposed to go to the most outstanding player. And, frankly, Bryce hasn't looked great this year; we don't have a 2017 Hurts/Tua situation where Alabama would be just as good or better with the backup playing.
You guys have your mind made up, Bama players are the best to you I get it. To people that know what they are looking at though, it’s obvious Trask does more for his team. You don’t have to believe me that’s okay, it just shows your fandom and inability to watch film and diagnose what you are seeing.
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:31 pm to Lemonpuppy
Just like they are so butt-hurt about people saying the H2H with A&M is the deciding factor in our rankings.
Two very good QB's where the deciding factor will be the H2H. They already got the short end once, and think that a team-based outcome will not reflect the accomplishments of the individual.
I don't think Florida has to win the SECCG for Trask to get the trophy. Pretty sure voters will use the eye test on that. He just can't go out there and look like Kellen Mond.
Two very good QB's where the deciding factor will be the H2H. They already got the short end once, and think that a team-based outcome will not reflect the accomplishments of the individual.
I don't think Florida has to win the SECCG for Trask to get the trophy. Pretty sure voters will use the eye test on that. He just can't go out there and look like Kellen Mond.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:31 pm to GatorBait24
Just know that no minds have ever been changed here.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:33 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So basically Mac outperforms him statically having to feed Najee, while Trask feeds no one and has more pass attempts
It’s not like we don’t try, our O-Line sucks and can’t run block. Makes what Trask is doing even more impressive.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:33 pm to KingOfTheWorld
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This will all be moot when Mac Jones cuts the Gators to pieces on December 19th.
Unfortunately yes.
I'm sure SummerOfGeorge will have his models on the game, but it will probably say something like:
Bama 49
UF 24
I don't see Florida keeping it closer than 20-25 points. They'll have success early, then Bama will adjust, and slowly UF will be worn down due to a massive TOP advantage.
Bama will have something like 37 mins TOP, with UF having 23, most of which coming in garbage time.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:33 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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OP is right that the game will decide the Heisman winner, but Trask is better than Jones imo
Why do you think Trask is better than Jones?
I think they are both very similar. I think Mac does a great job of reading the defense AFTER the ball is snapped and puts the ball in the right place. He's also very accurate at the intermediate and long pass plays.
I like Kyle too and I think he's a great QB. I think, IMHO, the winner of the SEC game has the Heisman in the bag.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:34 pm to Ag Zwin
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Just like they are so butt-hurt about people saying the H2H with A&M is the deciding factor in our rankings.
Nobody is mad about this, we just blame our D. Is Mond > Trask because you won?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:36 pm to GatorBait24
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You guys have your mind made up, Bama players are the best to you I get it. To people that know what they are looking at though, it’s obvious Trask does more for his team. You don’t have to believe me that’s okay, it just shows your fandom and inability to watch film and diagnose what you are seeing.
People who know what the Heisman trophy is given for don't make the argument A is more valuable to his team than B.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:37 pm to Notrub14
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People who know what the Heisman trophy is given for don't make the argument A is more valuable to his team than B
Can you be more specific? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:41 pm to GatorBait24
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Can you be more specific? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
The Heisman isn't a most valuable player award like is given in professional sports. "The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence .." heisman.com/heisman-trust/#:~:text=The%20Heisman%20Memorial%20Trophy%20annually,%2C%20perseverance%2C%20and%20hard%20work.
If you dropped the KC Chiefs into the ACC for a season, it wouldn't be an argument against Mahomes winning the Heisman that they still would have won the National Championship with Chad Henne playing quarterback.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:42 pm to GatorBait24
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Can you be more specific? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
I think he's trying to say Kyle is more valuable to Florida's offense than Mac to Bama's offense. I can see that because Bama has a good running game to complement the passing game. If Florida plays Bama and wins the game, it will be more than likely due to Kyle having a great game.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:55 pm to Notrub14
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If you dropped the KC Chiefs into the ACC for a season, it wouldn't be an argument against Mahomes winning the Heisman that they still would have won the National Championship with Chad Henne playing quarterback
Mac Jones isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Mahomes. I’m actually arguing the opposite. Mac Jones would be average at best if he were UF’s QB. The Chiefs weren’t winning SB’s before Mahomes. Bama has.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:56 pm to TS1926
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I think he's trying to say Kyle is more valuable to Florida's offense than Mac to Bama's offense. I can see that because Bama has a good running game to complement the passing game. If Florida plays Bama and wins the game, it will be more than likely due to Kyle having a great game.
That’s what I’m saying though, he can’t be saying that.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:57 pm to GatorBait24
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Nobody is mad about this, we just blame our D. Is Mond > Trask because you won?
Nope.
Mond is better than he showed against LSU, but that's not saying much. He has physical skills. His mental game is where he loses out. Too slow. Too timid. Too fragile. Trask is a baller all the way around.
I think Trask will win it if the game is reasonably close and puts up numbers that are "80%" of his average. Not an exact number, but hopefully you see my point.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:57 pm to GatorBait24
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Mac Jones would be average at best if he were UF’s QB
This is not accurate. I don't think Mac has the physical talents of PM but to say he would be average with the Gators is..I'm not sure where you getting this?? The guy is a great passer. He's very accurate and is great at reading defenses on the fly.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:58 pm to Ag Zwin
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Nope. Mond is better than he showed against LSU, but that's not saying much. He has physical skills. His mental game is where he loses out. Too slow. Too timid. Too fragile. Trask is a baller all the way around. I think Trask will win it if the game is reasonably close and puts up numbers that are "80%" of his average. Not an exact number, but hopefully you see my point.
I do I just don’t see the point of your previous posts. A&M wasn’t a negative against Trask.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:00 pm to TS1926
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is is not accurate. I don't think Mac has the physical talents of PM but to say he would be average with the Gators is..I'm not sure where you getting this?? The guy is a great passer. He's very accurate and is great at reading defenses on the fly
I disagree but I’m sure that doesn’t matter to you.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:00 pm to GatorBait24
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I do I just don’t see the point of your previous posts. A&M wasn’t a negative against Trask.
Not what I intended to say. My error. All I am saying is that on the field does matter, but the outcome of the team competition has a limited effect on the individual honor. For the team comparison, it is a more direct comparison.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:02 pm to GatorBait24
disagree but I’m sure that doesn’t matter to you.
Well why do you think he's average? I see lots of similarities between Mac and Kyle.
Well why do you think he's average? I see lots of similarities between Mac and Kyle.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:04 pm to GatorBait24
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You guys have your mind made up
Says the guy with the most made up mind.....
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