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re: Which SEC school will this happen to first?

Posted on 6/14/20 at 8:39 am to
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4636 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 8:39 am to
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These include donating 0.5% of the department's annual earnings to the Black Lives Matter movement


BLM is a racist movement who doesn't care about black people or justice. Nor do they care about the well being of blacks and will destroy black owned businesses as quick as any other businesses. What an incredibly stupid idea by the Texas players. Supporting something that refuses to support blacks. Pure ignorance.
Posted by Godawgs4
Member since Aug 2016
4241 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:08 am to
“You and others that think like you ignore the BILLIONS generated on the College level, you don't cap Coaches pay, and then tell the Coaches to go to the NFL for more money

So don't tell the Players to ignore the BILLIONS that they generate , "go get your money from the NFL" , the NFL has nothing to do with the BILLIONS generated on the College Level

Most "logical" people understand that when BILLIONS are generated by a small number of people at roughly 70 Colleges, then the producers deserve more than a free education

Why not let them get the free education plus a decent stipend ($40-50K) to go with it??

I am constantly amazed when folks like you obsess over limiting another person's opportunity to maximize their earning potential and instead tries to artificially cap their ability to earn money

I have only met a few people like that, and they all have ONE THING IN COMMON, I'll let you guess what that is......“



I am not ignoring anything. Only a fraction of football players ever go on to the NFL so about 99.8 % of them are playing college football for an education and a career path.

If they want to give the players a stipend for expenses , I am fine with that. Beyond that if they want to earn a salary for playing football, then sit out and wait for the NFL draft.
I am not restricting them in anyway. It is their own choice. They can do as they please.
But don’t diminish the value of a scholarship, if they apply themselves in college , they can have a productive adult life.

Football is enjoyable but I don’t need it in my life. I can easily do without it. So if these guys want to self destruct football it is fine with me.
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 9:17 am
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
9423 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 8:11 pm to
Pretty sure UT isn’t stupid enough to do the song thing. That will lose boosters in a heartbeat. That’d be like LSU voluntarily taking mike the tiger away.
Posted by GBJs
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2012
3898 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:10 pm to
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Most "logical" people understand that when BILLIONS are generated by a small number of people at roughly 70 Colleges, then the producers deserve more than a free education


The education isn't free, it's worked for academically and physically. There is a large demand of time from student athletes.

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Why not let them get the free education plus a decent stipend ($40-50K) to go with it??

Is that per year? Per season? What if they don't play in every game? What if there is an injury... I guess then it becomes workers comp? What about basketball players? They bring in more revenue in Kentucky than football players? Or the baseball players at LSU... that program has lots o championships? What about women's sports? Remember Title IX??

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am constantly amazed when folks like you obsess over limiting another person's opportunity to maximize their earning potential and instead tries to artificially cap their ability to earn money

I have only met a few people like that, and they all have ONE THING IN COMMON, I'll let you guess what that is......


Oh please... tell us what that is. Please enlighten the rest of us with your objective and obvious superior thoughts, integrity, intellect, and fair concepts.

I got news for you dipshit... the education is worth more than the sports to the vast majority of student athletes... most of them go pro in something besides sports. Try student loans otherwise. FFS, if ALL student athletes get 40 to 50 K, they can pay their own way through school. I believe in a stipend for the athletes because of the time demands, but you are in a large group of people who drastically underestimate the value of the full ride scholarship.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:29 pm to
SEC men’s soccer needs a big boost. This could do it.
Posted by InGAButLoveBama
Member since Jan 2018
924 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 10:20 pm to
I am terrified of this happening at UA. Our president has been way too ready to appease the constant clamors for "diversity, equity and inclusion." As a an alumni, I am not sensing much appreciate for diversity of opinion, I resent the notion that Whites are to blame for inequities, and I am certainly starting to feel unincluded.

Meanwhile, since Dr. Bell arrived on campus, UA has dropped dramatically in the school rankings and Dr. Bell seems more focused on pleasing folks who will NEVER be pleased till the school is no longer majority White.

One of the reaons UA is not willing to raise its admission standards, is because the SJWs would shriek if the already large enrollment of Black students started to decline. Auburn, Clemson, and other schools can get away with it, but for some reason. Alabama's top flagship must have the lower admission standard to ensure diversity.
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 10:26 pm
Posted by RunNGun57
Houston Texas
Member since Aug 2018
154 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 10:46 pm to
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Posted by Leon S Kennedy
Member since Aug 2016
1297 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 10:57 pm to
Racists should not watch black athletes anyway.
Posted by TigerNOLAGirl
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2019
719 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:17 pm to
Is swastika- making still a major credit course at Meth U?

Posted by XWing atAliciousness
Member since Jan 2018
8623 posts
Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:18 pm to
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They will agree to all demands by midnight tomorrow.

Still hasn't happened yet. Although I'm sure the demands on building names would probably be the first move made (if any are indeed made).

I would imagine the school administration will do whatever they can to "settle" with the players and keep the song, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the school peeled back on that as well.

I'd be devastated. The song is basically associated with all of my good memories at Texas sporting events since childhood. Singing it in Omaha was truly how I became a lifelong fan.

But, I could learn to take it or leave it. I'd rather have the players that bust their arse feel like they at least have a voice. Even if it means losing a song on the way.
Posted by Todd Greene
Huntsville, Al
Member since Aug 2019
2457 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:51 am to
The eyes of Texas are upon you.........

There is no sense in banning this song!

Personally, I'm indifferent to UT and could care less one way or the other.

But, this is overkill and I hope people come to their senses before we erase nostalgia entirely!
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 4:28 am to
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Give them an inch...

Wrong analysis pal!!

These issues were caused when Chicken shite cowards of a bygone Era allowed monuments to be erected in the late 1890s and in the mid 1950s to show defiance for Supreme Court victories that allowed all Americans to be treated more equal, if horrible decisions hadn't been made back then, these current demands wouldn't be necessary

Had chicken shite cowards not "gave them an inch...." decades ago, none of this would be necessary

Are you one of those guys that defend loser arse traitors from years ago, that have no impact on your life?
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 5:02 am to
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I am terrified of this happening at UA. Our president has been way too ready to appease the constant clamors for "diversity, equity and inclusion." As a an alumni, I am not sensing much appreciate for diversity of opinion, I resent the notion that Whites are to blame for inequities, and I am certainly starting to feel unincluded.

Meanwhile, since Dr. Bell arrived on campus, UA has dropped dramatically in the school rankings and Dr. Bell seems more focused on pleasing folks who will NEVER be pleased till the school is no longer majority White.

One of the reaons UA is not willing to raise its admission standards, is because the SJWs would shriek if the already large enrollment of Black students started to decline. Auburn, Clemson, and other schools can get away with it, but for some reason. Alabama's top flagship must have the lower admission standard to ensure diversity.


Get a new tinfoil hat, geez!!

Blacks make up 13 % of the US Population, when you take into account the kind of K-12 schooling necessary to get accepted to a mediocre arse place like Bama, there will never be more than 6% enrollment of Black students at Bama, all other minorities make up smaller percentages of the US Population than do blacks

Socioeconomic Stats show that there aren't enough Blacks in K-12 private schools and enough Blacks in K-12 Suburban Schools in upper middle neighborhoods to ever make a serious dent at Bama

Next issue, it pretty damn racist of you to "defend" Bama from ever becoming majority minority, aren't Minorities Americans also?

And don't mention HBCUs, from the 1st day they were founded they have always been open to any Student from anywhere on the Planet that wanted to attend, only assholes like you have excluded people from every segment of American life with this mantra of "we might be in the minority at Bama one day"

Your issue is that white male enrollment is declining in colleges all over the US as white males get outworked by middle eastern students born in the US, Asian students born in the US , and international students, also white females are out preforming white males academically combined with more females being born

Your issues lie elsewhere, but you lay the blame at the feet of Blacks that want to be treated more equal

Bama should be inviting to all Alabamana and all Americans, not just those that think like you that don't think hateful arse confederate memorials are no big deal

I got news for you, name another group that could possibly be responsible for for inequities in America, since you resent the notion that whites are to blame?

After the Separate but Equal law was passed by the Supreme Court, who ignored it whites or Blacks?

When Blacks tried to demand that local Govts live up to that Law a Black Church would be burned or there would be a lynching to intimidate Blacks from asking that the Law be followed

You act as if you're not familiar with American History, any of it

And before I go why should the school be majority white, as long as the Grads no matter what ethnicity they are, as long as they serve the State of Bama and the US, why is it important to YOU that the school remain majority white, shouldn't great Alums be your only concern
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 7:06 am
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 5:49 am to
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I am not ignoring anything. Only a fraction of football players ever go on to the NFL so about 99.8 % of them are playing college football for an education and a career path.

If they want to give the players a stipend for expenses , I am fine with that. Beyond that if they want to earn a salary for playing football, then sit out and wait for the NFL draft.
I am not restricting them in anyway. It is their own choice. They can do as they please.
But don’t diminish the value of a scholarship, if they apply themselves in college , they can have a productive adult life.

Football is enjoyable but I don’t need it in my life. I can easily do without it. So if these guys want to self destruct football it is fine with me.

The NFL has nothing to do with the BILLIONS generated by P5 Colleges

Your mantra of focus on the education and ignore the BILLIONS generated is ridiculous, only a fool would do that

Whenever & wherever BILLIONS are generated, people want their fair share, 70 years ago before BILLIONS in TV Contracts were being paid out, then a Bachelor's Degree was a fair deal for FB & MBB, but now that BILLIONS are hanging in the Balance, just a Bachelor's Degree is no longer a fair deal for playing CFB & MBB, the same way HCs no longer make $250K per yr, the explosion in TV Money has upped the Top Coaches pay to $9MM per yr, while the Players still get a Bachelor's Degree

In fact with a larger percentage of people with Master's Degrees, that Bachelor's is actually worth a little less relatively speaking in the workplace than it was 70 years ago, when many VPs & CEOs only had a bachelor's degree, no longer does just a Bachelor's put you on that same path, but that's not really important, those that generate a lot should get treated more fairly

Same way coach's pay has kept up with the new Economics of CFB & MBB but compensation for the players has woefully lagged, seeing people ignore that and trying to justify it is beyond pathetic
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 10:42 am
Posted by Godawgs4
Member since Aug 2016
4241 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:00 am to
Nobody is trying to justify anything. If the players don’t value an education then don’t go to college. Just work out and when you are eligible for the draft then go to try outs.

Simple as that. Players who do go to school and apply themselves in the classroom and in the field can do quite well for themselves as adults. The scholarship is very valuable.

If that ultimately means that fewer fans attend games attend games, then so be it. The economics of CFB will fall, salaries will fall and ticket prices will fall to make it more affordable for the average family to attend games.

As I mentioned,I am fine with the College players getting a small stipend for expenses but if they want to earn a salary then don’t play CFB.

Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:17 am to
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Nobody is trying to justify anything. If the players don’t value an education then don’t go to college. Just work out and when you are eligible for the draft then go to try outs.

Simple as that. Players who do go to school and apply themselves in the classroom and in the field can do quite well for themselves as adults. The scholarship is very valuable.

If that ultimately means that fewer fans attend games attend games, then so be it. The economics of CFB will fall, salaries will fall and ticket prices will fall to make it more affordable for the average family to attend games.

As I mentioned,I am fine with the College players getting a small stipend for expenses but if they want to earn a salary then don’t play CFB
Don't call it a salary, call it an "enhanced stipend"

Simple question:

Why can't the players value the Bachelor's Degree they get, AND at the same time ask for a fair piece of the BILLIONS of dollars they generate at the 70 P5 Colleges?

Why not do both?

You act as if it has to be one or the other, simply modify the bullshite definition of amateurism that the NCAA uses and go from there

By the way Graduation rates for P5 FB & MBB is at an all time high, as more players take advantage of the free transfer when you graduate with remaining eligibility

Current Stats say the players do value the education, so why are you so hell bent on ignoring the BILLIONS they generate at the P5 level Colleges?

Why is it so hard to do both?

Why is it so evil to do both?
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4636 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:22 am to
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BILLIONS of dollars
BILLIONS BILLIONS BILLIONS BILLIONS BILLIONS BILLIONS

You don't get it. The schools aren't making BILLIONS. Most schools don't even make a profit. They're lucky to break even. Most lose money. So the system should be changed for the few schools that do profit ? You don't have a clue how this works.
Posted by geauxcoco
Greenville, SC
Member since Apr 2007
11023 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:24 am to
Herman should call O and ask how him to handle things...
Posted by 1badboy
In space
Member since Jul 2014
8103 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:13 am to
Aggie
Posted by Godawgs4
Member since Aug 2016
4241 posts
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:31 am to
“Current Stats say the players do value the education, so why are you so hell bent on ignoring the BILLIONS they generate at the P5 level Colleges?

Why is it so hard to do both?

Why is it so evil to do both?”


Not ignoring that but it is not Billions and Billions of dollars. Football pays the freight for the other sports so there is probably not much leftover money anyway. The team generates the revenue, not individual players.
Last I saw a team has around 80-100 players on it. So beyond a possible small stipend, I don’t see the players getting paid to play football on the college level.

If a few want to demand and try to barter for it, I would say fine, you are released from your scholarship and feel free to turn pro. Your choice.
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