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re: Which schools will lose membership when the B1G and SEC break away?

Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:09 am to
Posted by Rebbedup
Member since Jun 2021
3548 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:09 am to
Racism much? Memphis is 95% black. Wow.
Posted by bamaoldtimer
Member since Dec 2009
1282 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:56 am to
SEC and Big10 are not breaking away. Curious, what would they be breaking away from?

Too get more money? Just schedule and sell more compelling games against each other.

Question, would you watch Indiana vs South Carolina? Probably not. How about Texas vs Purdue? Only Texas fans would watch. Alabama vs Nebraska? Interesting historical but doubt many Texas fans would watch.

Did you know a few years ago Miss State was ranked No. 1 in the AP poll?
Vandy is the most prestigious school in the SEC and won Baseball natty.

Oh yea, Texas plays Vandy and they’re really good this year. Would not be surprised if Vandy pulls the upset. This weekends game between Miss State and Texas will be wayyyyy closer than you think. Book it.

Maybe Aggie was right.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
2682 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:09 am to
Money is your answer, they will break away not by choice but by hey this is who is left. We are at pay for play next year, not nil, but legitimate the school taking its profits and sharing it. It starts at 20 million, starts, it’ll go up from there. Who can afford that outside the sec and big ten and would want to do it? After the 20 million you still gotta pay for coaches equipment maintenance facilities. Clem fsu nd unc ok state? A lot of universities flat won’t be able to compete. But bury your head in the sand and just keep saying big conference too big. The breakaway is inevitable. But it’s not the haves leaving as much as the have nots can’t afford to go with them.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:15 am
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
1660 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:21 am to
All these ignorant "what if" scenarios from the sports bros, let me give you a, "guarantee" if this imminent "break away" scenario happens to where dozens of P4 school are getting kicked to the curb: the sport as you know it today (and all other collegiate sports) would be over, and because of that, it'll be an afterthought.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, asked for NFL Light, and the logical conclusion is that the advertisers and networks would eventually realize that before they drove ncaa football off the cliff of obscurity. Or maybe they wouldn't, but it's irrelevant. What a stupid, made up scenario.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
2682 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:39 am to
Pay for play isn’t a made up what if, it’s coming next year, it’s already creating a stir on the recruiting trail. Recruiting classes of schools that don’t have a plan to spend the allotted 20 mil are losing recruits. Who outside the sec/big 10 can afford 40 mil a year on just football
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8441 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:52 am to
Which expansion?
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
1660 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:08 am to
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Pay for play isn’t a made up what if, it’s coming next year, it’s already creating a stir on the recruiting trail. Recruiting classes of schools that don’t have a plan to spend the allotted 20 mil are losing recruits. Who outside the sec/big 10 can afford 40 mil a year on just football
Who said anything about pay for play my guy? Quote my post where I mentioned pay for play.

In the short term, college football is already dead. We the fans have let corporate conglomerates suit our desire for sitting on our couches to watch every game (used to be guilty of this when I watched all the time) supercede the pageantry of the live game. Now we have a little football with our advertisements, we have players quitting mid-season for more money, we have mercenaries playing in front of mostly empty stadiums except for the biggest of games, and people tuning out like they never used to. There are a whole lot of people who don't give anywhere near the damn that they used to, and it's growing by the day.

In the long term, you're living in an alternate reality if you think you can kick out, say, 30% of P4 teams and still have your cake to eat. Where's that revenue going to come from when millions more shut the tv off? It would kill NCAA sports. No more Hoover, Omaha, the NCAA tourney would be NIT level hype, etc. The populace already doesn't care all that much about college football (hard fact for this board's sports bros to accept), and you think they'd care more after dozens of teams are kicked out? You think networks are still going to dole out $20mm a year per school when rating are down 40, 50, 60%? The only winner in that scenario would be the NFL, because nobody is tuning in to watch Bama play Michigan when they can watch the Saints play the Cowboys with a far superior product and broadcast.

What about the other sports? You think, for example, if State, Mizzou, Arkansas, Ole Miss, South Carolina and Vandy got kicked out of P4 conference money that they'd be fine and dandy letting the new P2 teams play them in the other sports? They'd start our own league and be back to real amateur collegiate sports, albeit we'd have to go see it live more often to watch with our eyes until some entrepreneur filled in that niche via youtube, X or some other streaming service. Also the games would be 2 hours max, so that's nice.

You people are delusional living in your sports forum bubble. Nobody is kicking dozens of P4 teams out of NCAA football and continuing on as if nothing happened. It's a niche audience, don't forget that. You kill off a third of NCAA football and you're burying your sport and all other collegiate sports as you know them alive.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
2682 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:16 am to
Getting kicked out is being forced to leave, no one will be forced, they either can afford to pay it or they can’t “my guy.” I asked who can afford the new pay for play. And in your endless rambling of why it would be stupid to kick anyone out(which no one said) did you answer who can afford this? We will find out in the next 5-10 years.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 8:18 am
Posted by Taurus 357
Great Lakes
Member since Dec 2014
4994 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:39 am to
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We'll be back to playing real college football in a decade


This is a good point. I think the ROI will be a law of diminishing returns type of thing. The interest in the game from most fans will wane, to the point that viewership may completely dry up. At that point, CFB will be at a crossroads and players who want to take college classes AND play football will be able to do so again. Boosters and collectives will no longer shell out exorbitant amounts to of money (see FCS or DIII model) and kids will play for the reasons they used to play. Everything is cyclical. The current model will go bust eventually
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
1660 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:47 am to
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Getting kicked out is being forced to leave, no one will be forced, they either can afford to pay it or they can’t “my guy.” I asked who can afford the new pay for play. And in your endless rambling of why it would be stupid to kick anyone out(which no one said) did you answer who can afford this? We will find out in the next 5-10 years.
But that's not the narrative, nor the question and assertion made in the OP, now is it? Nobody is asking what P4 teams cannot afford to stay in P4, nor has anyone mentioned pay for play, what is being asked/asserted is,
quote:

I cannot see the Networks and sponsors paying for teams who bring nothing to the table.
That's kicking people out, not being able to "afford" it. You understand that, right? Nobody is mentioning pay for play except you, that cat is already out of the bag. We're not talking players, we're talking teams and schools.

I realize staying on topic and reading a couple paragraphs is a monumental task for the sports bros like yourself, but you need to try and keep up. Stay on topic or move along.
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Woulhuntdn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
1098 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:48 am to
You aren't a serious fan are you?
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9883 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:03 am to
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SEC and Big10 are not breaking away. Curious, what would they be breaking away from? Too get more money? Just schedule and sell more compelling games against each other.

Thank you. Every time I see someone suggest a “breakaway league”, that is the question they can never answer. The SEC and B1G are already leagues. They’ve already won. They already dictate the terms of the college football landscape. It’s possible that the governing body could change in some way, given how awful the NCAA is, but that is extremely unlikely to result in either conference deciding to shed schools or to create some sort of special super league. The cons massively outweigh the benefits, even for the Ohio States and Alabamas of the world.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 10:13 am
Posted by Jdgood1
Member since Dec 2022
243 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:10 am to
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You all


The word is Yall

You can stick a northern team in a southern football conference but you can't take the north out of them.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11220 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:35 am to
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Vandy is the only private school. For legal cover the SEC isn't letting them go anywhere. Baseball program is just a perk



There is also research money tied to conferences and Vandy keeps the conference competitive academically with others vying for that money. Its not a one way street between the SEC and Vandy, its a mutually beneficial relationship.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11220 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:40 am to
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Vandy is the most prestigious school in the SEC and won Baseball natty.


I don't follow college basketball because the NBA exists and why would you but Vandy has also had some pretty good basketball teams, no?

Its also entirely possible that Vandy makes the decision to be competitive in football and does so. They have the resources, all they lack is the commitment. They haven't ever done it but there is no reason they can't. Miami and FSU both were laughing stocks of football for a long time and made a commitment to be competitive and did so soundly for a minute. Fortunes change in sports....all it takes is money and commitment and Vandy has plenty of money
Posted by gamecockman12
Columbia, SC
Member since Aug 2012
7645 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:45 am to
Would save me a lot of money if SC got the boot
Posted by sojourner44
Ft. Smith, AR
Member since Aug 2012
98 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:45 am to
More input from T-shirt alumni who resent the fact that there are folks who take baths more than once a week, can point out China on a globe, and still have more than three teeth.
Posted by Aggie in TN
Franklin TN
Member since Jun 2022
2300 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:48 am to
Contracts for players becoming school employees and salary caps will kick in at some point.

This still does not prevent NIL and under the table payments from happening.

But I do agree that structures and contracts will reign things in a bit.
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9883 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:53 am to
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The word is Yall

You can stick a northern team in a southern football conference but you can't take the north out of them.


Is Oklahoma "Southern" now? You know you were in a conference with Mizzou since 1915 and you played against us every single season from 1910 - 2011? It's bad enough when Arkansas fans try to pull their "we're actually really, really Southern" gimmick, but give me a break. Oklahoma is a classic western state. Nobody, absolutely nobody considers Oklahoma to be part of the South. Oklahoma was Indian Territory when those North/South divisions were drawn, and then it was filled by landthieves from neighboring states in the 1880s.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
2682 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:44 am to

I realize staying on topic and reading a couple paragraphs is a monumental task for the sports bros like yourself, but you need to try and keep up. Stay on topic or move along.

You’re so catty I surmise you get that from your mother no doubt. Anyways you don’t have an answe do to, if you did, you give it.

But that's not the narrative, nor the question and assertion made in the OP……I’m not responding to the op I’m responding to the guy who said this is all what ifs(that’d be you). I then stated it’s not all what ifs they are in fact starting pay for play next year. And a real question is who can afford that outside the sec and big ten?
lol sorry I wrote in “sports bro” whatever that means
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