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re: Where there is smoke there is fire.

Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
2944 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:22 pm to
Can Arky get anyone better than Pittman?
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:23 pm to
Jumbo would be a good one if he’d work for a bargain. 7-5 or 8-4 would be a huge upgrade for Arkansas
Posted by Red Boarman
Member since Oct 2023
326 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:25 pm to
Damn baseball people and fans willing to settle. We don't want Rick Shaeffer calling the shots.
Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4000 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:25 pm to
Whatever happened to Nutt?
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21291 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:44 pm to
Sam Pittman would certainly not have any 10 win seasons at Bama or any other school.

Sam Pittman is not a better coach than Mike Shula and certainly not better than a coach that won an SEC title. Dubose went 16-16 in the SEC. Shula went 13-19. Both are better than Pittman who is currently 11-22 in the SEC.

Curry and Perkins are both 14-6 and 14-9-1 in the SEC respectively. Both end up finishing in the top 25 multiple times and that includes an SEC title.

The reasons he went 9-4 in 2021 is that he had the element of surprise. Which means that he snuck up on the SEC who wasn't expecting anything from Arkansas.

He inherited a mixed group of seniors and super seniors from Bert and Chad that was vital in close games that year.

He had a once in a generation WR at Arkansas that made that offense roll.

Once those advantages were gone. The last two years, the whole nation saw the real Sam Pittman in that he is just.....bad.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21291 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:46 pm to
They could have four years ago but didn't.

So probably not.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21291 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:48 pm to
Swimming in a pool of cash from Arkansas and Ole Miss.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8094 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:02 pm to
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It's not mid season. And he's had 4 seasons to prove he's above mediocre.


It is still the regular season. I say mid-season because we are still in the middle of the season. You can squabble over semantics, but whatever you call it it, coaches are still coaching. No one is going to bolt from their current position while the season is still underway. They won’t even have an official interview most likely.

If Arkansas fires him now, and they haven’t already lined something up through backchannels, this is a recipe for disaster. You will lose your recruiting class. You will have a frustrating coaching search. Arkansas football will take a step backwards. And that seems to be exactly what is happening.

Downvote and squabble, but firing him now with zero plan is just idiotic. Maybe they already have their guy lined up. But more likely not.

You had winning seasons the last two years. You could do a lot worse. I am afraid you are about to find that out the Danny Ford, John L. Smith, or Chad Morris way.

I may be wrong. But past performance is the best indicator of future performance. And Arkansas coaching searches have been ugly since Houston Nutt resigned. Since 2011, 12 seasons, Arkansas has had 4 different coaches. It is hard to build a program with a new coach every three years on average. In those past 12 years Arkansas has had a winning record 5 times. Bielema had three of them in five seasons. Pittman has had two of them in four seasons. And in those past 12 season, Arkansas has had one 9 win season. The coach that did it was Sam Pittman.

I actually like Arkansas. That is why I hate to see them do something stupid. But y’all will do what you do.

I just think y’all need to be realistic. Bobby Petrino was your most successful coach since joining the SEC. But he still only had winning seasons 3 out of 4 years. And his behavior left your program in shambles that led to the last 12 years. Before that, Houston Nutt was very successful. In 10 seasons he won two SEC west titles. And he was .500 or below 3 seasons. In 2004 he went 5-6. In 2005 he went 4-7. Y’all would have fired him today. The next year he won the SEC west.

If Arkansas starts firing coaches mid season after one losing season, they are doomed to keep repeating the last 12 years. Or worse.
Posted by Hogo Stiglitz
Rogers
Member since Jun 2021
162 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:09 pm to
Pittman isn't being "fired"
He is "retiring" the split will be mutual. Sam gets what he wants the university gets what they want could be officially official within the hour might not get out until the Missouri game.
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
2766 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:13 pm to
Please hire Jimbo and then proceed to beat A&M every year. That’s all I want. I’d even allow you all to finally beat us this year if that’ll ensure it.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119231 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:16 pm to
Arky and TAM gonna have a bidding war for Petrino
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8094 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:26 pm to
Come on Sam, Saban has a home for you. Even if Arkansas did force you out, we still love you. You will make a fine addition to the staff. You won’t even have to change colors, just slightly change the A.. And in three or four seasons, you will get another head coaching gig at a better school than the one that “retired” you.
Posted by PineyWoodsHog
Texas
Member since Sep 2021
1543 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:54 pm to
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You can squabble over semantics


Now it comes out. You sir are a raging anti-semantite.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7516 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:46 pm to
Petrino improved every year though, didn’t regress like Pittman has done. And Nutt was before the transfer portal when it was easier to flip a roster like so many other coaches are doing immediately
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21291 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:10 pm to
Arkansas football is already living in the Danny Ford, John L. Smith and Chad Morris years in real time. A few winning seasons don't remove the fact that Arkansas football still sucks.

Past performances aren't always the best indicator of future performances as the future isn't set.

Arkansas has and have continued to make one bad coaching hire after another.

The coaches after Petrino were given plenty of time to succeed or fail. John L. doesn't count as he was an interim coach.

Nutt was the most successful coach in the SEC for Arkansas just because he stayed the longest. But Petrino had back to back 10 win seasons since 88-89 in just four years.

Nutt didn't resign but was fired. He averaged seven wins a year at Arkansas.

Nutt won or shared SEC West titles in 1998, 2002 and 2006.

Nutt had two losing seasons in 2004 and 2005. He became the first head football coach to survive back to back losing seasons since the early 50s.

He was given a two year pass by his boss which he didn't earn nor deserve.

Yes he won the SEC West but many hog fans were burned out with Nutt and just wanted him to go away.

Oh it also didn't help that he failed to win an SEC title with arguably the greatest RBs in SEC history going 18-16.




Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8094 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:03 pm to
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Petrino improved every year though


And how did that end up working out for Arkansas?

Checks notes and sees John L. Smith and Chad Morris as two of next three coaches.

And here we are. But it will be different this time.

Bret Bielema was a successful coach at Wisconsin and went to a bowl game every year, winning his division once. At Arkansas he went 29-34. He has a winning record now at Illinois.

Maybe Bret Bielema wasn’t the problem.

But go ahead and fire Pittman. I am sure good coaches will be lining up to take a difficult job where they know they will be fired if they have one bad season.

Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21291 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:15 pm to
Bert was only successful at Wisconsin because daddy Barry Alvarez was the real head coach.

Bert was 11-29 in the SEC at Arkansas. That is worse than Sam Pittman.

The fact that Bert has one winning year at Illinois in a division that is softer than a baby's bottom just tells me it is a Bert problem.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:20 pm to
Shaun Alexander win that SEC title for DuBose. Other than that season (during which he lost to La Tech at home) he had seasons with 3 wins, 7 wins, and 4 wins.

Pittman is at least on a par with DuBose and since he’s likely smart enough to not bang his secretary, he’s likely better. He would certainly have a 10 win season at Bama. With the exception of Ears Whitworth, every Bama coach since the end of WW1 has done it at least once.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21291 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:37 pm to
Sam pittman isn't winning 10 games at any school. Why? Because he would melt under the pressure at schools with much higher expectations. He had one fluke season and that was his best. That his why he fired his agent and hired Jimmy Sexton to get a raise. He understood that 9-4 was his ceiling. He was going to retire before being hired and that raise is his retirement money.

Ever since that he has been on a decline and if not fired after this season then he has a very high probability that he will go 0-8 in the SEC next year.
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