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What's illegal with this?

Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:45 am
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:45 am
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Heard some fans complain that this was an illegal block. I know there is a leaping over the snapper rule but is there a leaping over the secondary blockers rule?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75413 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:47 am to
yeah you’re not supposed to leap over players

Posted by Faurot fodder
Member since Jul 2019
4782 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:49 am to
My question is, why is there any "leaping" rule? Safety? That's stupid if so. Let the players be the athletes they are.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28959 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:51 am to
Just because Brian Kelly or the LSU fanbase doesn't understand the rule, doesn't make it illegal.

Here is the text of the rule from the 2024 NCAA rulebook.

quote:

Leverage and Leaping
ARTICLE 11

a No defensive player, in an attempt to gain an advantage, may step, jump or stand on an opponent
b It is a foul if a defensive player moves forward and tries to block a kick or apparent kick on a field goal or try by leaving their feet and leaping into the plane directly above the frame of the body of an opponent It is not a foul if the player was aligned in a stationary position within one yard of the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped
c It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt or an apparent punt by leaving their feet and leaping into the plane directly above the frame of the body of an opponent
1 It is not a foul if the player tries to block the punt by jumping straight up without attempting to leap over the opponent
2 It is not a foul if a player leaps through or over the gap between players
]d No defensive player, in an attempt to block, bat or catch a kick or apparent kick, may:
1 Step, jump or stand on a teammate
2 Place a hand(s) on a teammate to get leverage for additional height
3 Be picked up by a teammate, or be elevated, propelled or pushed



Not the best framing, but the player is clearly in the gap and the LSU player moves over to "block" him.



Here's the video.


Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:52 am to
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yeah you’re not supposed to leap over players


I feel like you can some and others you can't. You can leap over the snapper if you don't touch him. How many times have we seen this done on a fg attempt?

No leaping on the snapper is for safety. He's basically unprotected while snapping the ball. Addressing other poster.

Not sure why this rule would be continued to people upright able to fend for themselves.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:54 am to
Thanks...I was hoping someone would post the rule so I could better understand it
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:57 am to
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My question is, why is there any "leaping" rule? Safety?


Yes. Watch the video I posted. The player landed on his head.

Kid had just gotten a scholarship this week and was earning it...

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Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4339 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:00 am to
If it’s for safety then why isn’t it illegal for a runner to hurdle a player?
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:03 am to
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a runner to hurdle a player?


Different scenario...tackler normally has eyes on and is attempting to tackle runner. Tackler is able to protect himself. Snappers aren't able to.
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
9572 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:05 am to
quote:

My question is, why is there any "leaping" rule? Safety?


yeah. When their legs get caught up with the blockers then end up on their heads. Concussion and neck injuries are what is feared. Though i think if you one hope and clear the linemen, its legal.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
11330 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:07 am to
Ask the officials for the 2004 lsu auburn game. Only time I can remember watching it called.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:08 am to
quote:

If it’s for safety then why isn’t it illegal for a runner to hurdle a player


Also wouldn't surprise me if in the future they make it a foul. Though they don't tend to make penalties that hamper the offense.
Posted by deke63
Member since Nov 2010
55 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:07 am to
Thanks for posting the rule and the pic & video. However, you make the point that the player (as shown in your pic) was jumping through a gap, and therefore, was not in violation of the rule, but if you go back a split second, it clearly shows that he was jumping right over a player's body, which led to him being blocked to the side, into a "gap". So...
penalty?
USC jumper
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 11:12 am
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4339 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:35 am to
Is it safe? Or not?
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Is it safe? Or not?


A runner hurdling a tackler? Imo I don't see anything wrong with your scenario or the punt block.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
6810 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:39 am to
I'm actually glad Kelly sent this in. Based on how I'm reading the rule, it was perfectly legal. But, I'd very much like to hear clarification on, if this is indeed legal, what the illegal play would have looked like instead.
Posted by mattytiger123
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2014
3118 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Thanks for posting the rule and the pic & video. However, you make the point that the player (as shown in your pic) was jumping through a gap, and therefore, was not in violation of the rule, but if you go back a split second, it clearly shows that he was jumping right over a player's body, which led to him being blocked to the side, into a "gap". So... penalty? USC jumper

This is what they can't admit. Initial contact of the leap was SC player's torso to the LSU blocker's helmet, which caused SC player to land in the gap. Just because he fell over to the side of the player he was jumping directly over doesn't mean he didn't leap directly over and risk paralysis for himself and the LSU player. Reckless and stupid.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:45 am to
Now that I've watched it a few times and read the rules I think it might be a penalty.

"It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt or an apparent punt by leaving their feet and leaping into the plane directly above the frame of the body of an opponent"

I think the gap not gap would be the question.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13418 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:46 am to
quote:

tackler normally has eyes on and is attempting to tackle runner. Tackler is able to protect himself. Snappers aren't able to.

IIRC, when the rule was first proposed/implemented, the comment was that long snappers don't just have their head down but rotated so they are looking behind them for the signal to snap the ball. When the ball is snapped, they are coming up but also bringing their head up; not only are they pretty much blind to their surroundings for that first split second, their necks are exposed and the worry was someone attempting to leap over the center would get hit by someone else and land on the center's exposed neck area.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
6810 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:47 am to
quote:

This is what they can't admit.


What would you like Carolina fans to admit? During the live play (and on the real-time replay) it looked like the player jumped through the gap in protection. Per the rule that was cited, it looked legal in real-time.

Upon slowed-down replay, I absolutely see your point about the helmet of the defender pushing him into the gap.

Like I said, I'm actually glad this was sent in for review. It looked legal live, but I would very much appreciate a clarification.
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