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re: what's great about expanding the playoffs
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:43 pm to 3down10
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:43 pm to 3down10
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It's actually a sport for starters.
I just don't understand what you are trying to say here.
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It's national champion has typically been chosen based on merit,
You win enough games, you get into the playoff, you win those games, you win the championship. How is that not based on merit?
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:49 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I just don't understand what you are trying to say here.
Sports entertainment
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Sports entertainment is a type of spectacle which presents an ostensibly competitive event using a high level of theatrical flourish and extravagant presentation, with the purpose of entertaining an audience. Unlike typical sports and games, which are conducted for competition, sportsmanship, physical exercise or personal recreation, the primary product of sports entertainment is performance for an audience's benefit. Commonly, but not in all cases, the outcomes are predetermined; as this is an open secret, it is not considered to be match fixing.
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You win enough games, you get into the playoff, you win those games, you win the championship. How is that not based on merit?
All you've won is a tourney, you have not determined who was the best team of the year.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:05 pm to Kentucker
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Are you seriously saying that major college football is anything more than entertainment? College sports began as exercise programs, so are you saying that because major cfb is linked to colleges that it’s primarily an exercise program for students?
It has been the majority of my life. It has never in my life been about "the most entertaining end of the season", or "Games that people want to see" or "making the post season matter for everyone".
It's always been about 1 thing. Determining who was the best team in the country, as a sport does.
Many years there were multiple teams that had legitimate claims to being that team. Many years, they didn't meet up and play. It sucked.
Finally in the late 80s we started actively getting #1 and #2 to play in the bowl games. Those years were fricking great, but it was only some years.
Then we got the bowl coalition, then alliance and it happened more often. fricking awesome.
Then comes the BCS, omg finally - every damn year.
Then once every 5-10 years there is an anomaly. A 3rd team with a legitimate claim. So we expand to 4, so we can include that team. The 4th place team has never deserved it, but whatever it's worth the trade off.
Now it's gone off the fricking rails. Completely leaving things that make it a sport behind, no longer caring about who is the best team. It's all about what people watch. That's the only thing that matters.
Can't even really find 4 teams that deserve to be there every year? No problem, just muddy the shite up by adding in 8 more teams who don't fricking belong. Brilliant!
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:17 pm to Funky Tide 8
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so you think that the NFL playoff system is totally stupid?
This is almost as bad a comparison as the basketball analogy.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:19 pm to Topwater Trout
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Every other sport, including all other levels of CFB, allow more teams into the playoffs as a percentage than D-1 CFB...I never hear much complaining about their playoff system
Because no one gives a rat's arse about the other levels of CFB.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:23 pm to stephendomalley
alabama will be favored so why play the games anyways?
Posted on 12/8/22 at 6:24 pm to Funky Tide 8
BCS got it right 1 vs 2
CFP has been corrupt from day 1. Committee sets the rules then breaks them, then resets the narrative to fit what they want.
CFP has been corrupt from day 1. Committee sets the rules then breaks them, then resets the narrative to fit what they want.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 6:26 pm to Cheese Grits
Slive proposed a 4 team BCS back in 08 but no one else supported him. Then the rest of the country lost their shite so bad when Bama/LSU rematched that we got this now instead.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 6:30 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Every other sport, including all other levels of CFB, allow more teams into the playoffs as a percentage than D-1 CFB
#1 FCS II and III are more level because no schollys
#2 FBS football is really 2 divisions not just 1. If they did it correctly it would be G5's have a title game and P5's have a title game. It is like the dirty little secret nobody talks about
#3 NCAA basketball could play a 8 team double elimination tourney to crown the Champion but we were sold a different bill of goods so some could make piles of money.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 6:43 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Slive proposed a 4 team BCS back in 08 but no one else supported him. Then the rest of the country lost their shite so bad when Bama/LSU rematched that we got this now instead.
The real truth
B1G and PAC created a monopoly with Walter Beyers as the dictator for 30 years or so. Rose Bowl went from the premier game (even when it was not) for all the upper midwest and west coast eyeballs.
CFA came along and busted up that monopoly and all the other football programs got a voice. Media still held sway and remember Gators were not even supposed to face Bucknuts that year for the crown except one media led the way. Over the next 10 to 20 years the SEC came unto its own (with the B12 next in line) and the B1G and PAC superiority sham was laid bare.
Rose Bowl became a game where neither the B1G or PAC rep was the best in the land and schools outside these conferences were taking their rightful place.
PAC did not have the passion and the B1G did not have the product. BCS (with the goal of getting the best 2 in the USA) was not picking the B1G or PAC teams as they could not dominate. CFP was put in place to get at least 1 if not 2 B1G teams (Ohio State and Michigan specifically) into the spotlight. This year they have succeeded with a committee where media and computers showed better sense on who was the best.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:06 am to 3down10
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Sports entertainment
I googled this and read some articles about it. Interesting. Not going to lie, kind of put a bug in my brain as I was watching that game last night
I still don't buy into a grand conspiracy though. NFL players compete in a game to win. Its a sport. Questionable calls don't really change that. There are at least as many questionable calls in cfb. There would have to be so many people involved, hard to believe that no one would blow the whistle at this point.
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 11:07 am
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:15 am to stephendomalley
Great point...from 1939 to 1950, the NCAA basketball tournament only had 8 teams. Since they expanded, hardly anyone cares about the Tournament...it doesn't generate any money and has basically zero following...right?
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:32 am to Topwater Trout
They will not be any closer to winning a title if they are #6 or #12. They will not make it. LSU was #5 when they played us. Soon the players will figure it out and all that will be accomplished is we will have players opting out of the playoffs and the playoffs will be cheapened.
People were warned what would happen with the Transfer Portal and with NIL and people continued to call for them. Expanding the playoffs will have an equally destructive affect.
People were warned what would happen with the Transfer Portal and with NIL and people continued to call for them. Expanding the playoffs will have an equally destructive affect.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:34 am to stephendomalley
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every year there are 2 or 3 teams head and shoulders above the rest, and the 4th team might deserve to be there, but no one gives them a chance - like TCU this year.
But, there are always some teams 5th, 6th, top 10 that could actually make a run. and there are always at least 2 or 3 of these teams, imo. Like Tennessee and Alabama this year. SoCal could've gotten into that except they lost their qb for the postseason.
I don't see teams 5-12 making the finals but maybe once every decade.
For that reason, expanding the playoffs is pointless.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:51 am to DawgsLife
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LSU was #5 when they played us.
They were #14 when UGA played them.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:54 am to madmaxvol
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Great point...from 1939 to 1950, the NCAA basketball tournament only had 8 teams.
So finding the true champion more likely
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Since they expanded, hardly anyone cares about the Tournament...it doesn't generate any money and has basically zero following...right?
So finding the most money more likely
You just have to say what is more important to the true fans
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:01 pm to Topwater Trout
True. There are some sports that allow something like 40% of the teams to make the playoffs. (NHL, NBA). I might be off but not by much. Is that what everybody wants? Yes. It’s true that some other spots/Leagues have more teams in their playoffs. It doesn’t make it a great idea.
The Canadian football league has different rules, too, as does the Arena Football League. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. All of these great new ideas (NIL, Transfer Portal) are killing the sport not helping it. STOP!
The Canadian football league has different rules, too, as does the Arena Football League. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. All of these great new ideas (NIL, Transfer Portal) are killing the sport not helping it. STOP!
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:11 pm to PBD4BAMA
You mean a completely different sport? Come on dude. Apples to oranges?
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
Hasn’t everybody’s whole argument been that Georgia is the best team by far? Was that based off everybody’s personal opinion? Yes.
Are we all just going to flip flop or will anybody try to be consistent?
The thing that makes the playoffs special is tha it is hard to get into them. When 14 out of 32 teams (NFL) make the playoffs it is no longer a special experience.
Are we all just going to flip flop or will anybody try to be consistent?
The thing that makes the playoffs special is tha it is hard to get into them. When 14 out of 32 teams (NFL) make the playoffs it is no longer a special experience.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:33 pm to Funky Tide 8
Forgot they got beat by A&M.
Good catch. The argument was still being made that if they could beat UGA they should be considered for the playoffs as the SEC champs. (Mainly by LSU fans but it goes to the way people think)
Off tithe top of my head I can’t think of any 6-12 ranked teams that had a legit chance to win it all. Very few #5 teams could.
Good catch. The argument was still being made that if they could beat UGA they should be considered for the playoffs as the SEC champs. (Mainly by LSU fans but it goes to the way people think)
Off tithe top of my head I can’t think of any 6-12 ranked teams that had a legit chance to win it all. Very few #5 teams could.
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