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re: What proof is there that blue blood programs illegally paid players prior to NIL?
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:43 pm to SlicedBread
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:43 pm to SlicedBread
He said blue bloods
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:45 pm to QBUMizzou
Eric Dickerson and he didn’t even play for us!
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:46 pm to QBUMizzou
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Is there any proof?
Pat Dye's career was ended by a player named Eric Ramsey. He secretly recorded Auburn staffers giving him impermissible benefits over a 4 year span.
When you see someone here use the phrase "Keep it down home, cuz", that comes from the Ramsey tapes. It's being said by Larry Blakeney, then an Auburn assistant coach who later went on to have a successful head coaching career at Troy.
You can read about it here.
You can hear some of the recordings here.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:50 pm to QBUMizzou
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What proof is there that blue blood programs illegally paid players prior to NIL?
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:50 pm to Draino54
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Saban also got out once his boytoy Mark Emmert couldn’t protect him any longer.
Link? Or did you hear that from your wife's boyfriend?
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:51 pm to EZOU
How is it dumb?
I enjoy discussing stuff that has been shrouded in fog.
Most responses here support that it happened at a large scale. It’s rare to see that type of consensus on this board.
NIL is not perfect but it’s an improvement.
I enjoy discussing stuff that has been shrouded in fog.
Most responses here support that it happened at a large scale. It’s rare to see that type of consensus on this board.
NIL is not perfect but it’s an improvement.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:00 pm to RunningJacket
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This is about the dumbest or most obtuse thread I’ve ever seen. Besides the players of the past telling us you can simply look at the recent. Are we just suppose to believe that the vast majority of 5 star players went to the same handful of schools just because? And then when NIL comes along and everyone pays that suddenly these same players abandon those schools? Give it another 10 to 15 years and you’ll easily be able to see the pattern. It was like when the eastern bloc countries dominated the Olympics in certain events in the pre-testing era and then they disappeared when testing started. I’m not saying these schools will disappear but the losses will increase while other teams rise up.
It’s not obtuse.
I posed the question because, as a Mizzou fan, I wasn’t privy to SEC dynamics pre-2012. My focus was elsewhere. Of course I heard things. Read things. But it’s interesting to see all of these stories and articles posted in one stream.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:03 pm to JustGetItRight
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Pat Dye's career was ended by a player named Eric Ramsey. He secretly recorded Auburn staffers giving him impermissible benefits over a 4 year span. When you see someone here use the phrase "Keep it down home, cuz", that comes from the Ramsey tapes. It's being said by Larry Blakeney, then an Auburn assistant coach who later went on to have a successful head coaching career at Troy. You can read about it here. You can hear some of the recordings here.
Never knew this. Thanks for the links.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:04 pm to Thunderfist
Saban would’ve been NOTHING without cheating. Check out those cars. Bob Stoops and OU would’ve been NOTHING without cars and no-show jobs at their Norman car dealership. Pete Carrol. Meyer. Harbaugh.
They were all cheating to some degree. Once you level the playing field it’s no surprise Saban doesn’t want to coach when all the advantages aren’t tilted in his favor
They were all cheating to some degree. Once you level the playing field it’s no surprise Saban doesn’t want to coach when all the advantages aren’t tilted in his favor
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:06 pm to QBUMizzou
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Were they penalized?
Are you like 12 years old?
Honest question.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:12 pm to Ag Zwin
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Posted by Ag Zwin
Are you like 12 years old?
Honest question
No. Why?
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:21 pm to QBUMizzou
I had highly recruited HS teammate who signed with Michigan and had a summer no-show job and another who was offered a Corvette (to use) to go to Auburn and ended up at UT
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:34 pm to QBUMizzou
Any time. Here’s another.
A Tennessee booster wrote checks to Tee Martin and laundered them through a Mobile, Alabama sportswriter but this was when Fulmer was acting as a confidential informant so they had a get out of jail free card.
Sportswriter admits doing it
A Tennessee booster wrote checks to Tee Martin and laundered them through a Mobile, Alabama sportswriter but this was when Fulmer was acting as a confidential informant so they had a get out of jail free card.
Sportswriter admits doing it
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:35 pm to QBUMizzou
That depends. We talking aTm or blue bloods?
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:37 pm to Raoul_Duke
Your school was doing just as much of it but wasn't winning. Not all schools cheated and won. Alot of them cheated and still lost.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:38 pm to Chris ALL Capps
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Ohio St fans said so. All the proof you need
As someone who once was stationed in northeast Indiana at one point, this area had mix of Irish, Wolverine and OSU fans. They all are loud as shite but Michigan fans are the most arrogant, by far, Yankee fanbase you will ever see.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 10:01 pm to 3down10
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Cheating is when you are paying a recruit to come to your school before they have signed. Things like $100 handshakes I just consider hookups. If someone is hooking you up, that's not really cheating.
That’s not what the NCAA said.
MSU was put on probation for a player, Larry Gillard, getting a clothing discount. Not free clothes… a discount. Two pairs of pants and two shirts.
MSU sued the NCAA over Gillard being declared ineligible and won. Then the friken NCAA appealed all the way to the MS Supreme Court and got the decision overturned. Mind you this was over two outfits.
The NCAA then retaliated that MSU dare question their authority and ruled that MSU had to forfeit all but two of six victories in 1975; nine victories in 1976, and five victories of 1978. The forfeits were not part of the original sanctions. Over a discount on two outfits.
The ruling was so asinine and retaliatory that officials from MSU were invited to a congressional subcommittee’s investigation of NCAA investigatory tactics.
NCAA warned by Congress over MSU penalties.
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 10/31/25 at 10:10 pm to CleverUserName
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That’s not what the NCAA said.
MSU was put on probation for a player, Larry Gillard, getting a clothing discount. Not free clothes… a discount. Two pairs of pants and two shirts.
MSU sued the NCAA over Gillard being declared ineligible and won. Then the friken NCAA appealed all the way to the MS Supreme Court and got the decision overturned. Mind you this was over two outfits.
The NCAA then retaliated that MSU dare question their authority and ruled that MSU had to forfeit all but two of six victories in 1975; nine victories in 1976, and five victories of 1978. The forfeits were not part of the original sanctions. Over a discount on two outfits.
The ruling was so asinine and retaliatory that officials from MSU were invited to a congressional subcommittee’s investigation of NCAA investigatory tactics.
NCAA warned by Congress over MSU penalties.
Why didn't you include the part where I said this?
It's against the rules for obvious reasons, but calling it cheating is like calling someone who runs a stop sign a criminal.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 10:24 pm to QBUMizzou
You can’t get in trouble for shite in the past that is legal today. That’s not how shite works 
Posted on 10/31/25 at 10:35 pm to QBUMizzou
I left lunch bags of money for players in the 80s, for my dad, (who was an Ole Miss bag man), does that count ?
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