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re: What power 5 school(s) are headed towards a "demotion" in the next 2-3 years?
Posted on 7/8/22 at 10:35 am to cyarrr
Posted on 7/8/22 at 10:35 am to cyarrr
The question still remains.
Mississippi State is a Top 35-40 ($) college football program when it comes to value. Ole Miss is Top 25-30. Just how small are these 2 hypothetical "limited access super conferences" you are suggesting?
If you're suggesting that a new division would be created with just the top 20 programs, I can assure you that would be a horrendous business decision.
The strength of college football is in the collective. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Mississippi State is a Top 35-40 ($) college football program when it comes to value. Ole Miss is Top 25-30. Just how small are these 2 hypothetical "limited access super conferences" you are suggesting?
If you're suggesting that a new division would be created with just the top 20 programs, I can assure you that would be a horrendous business decision.
The strength of college football is in the collective. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 10:58 am
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Posted on 7/8/22 at 11:19 am to BobLeeDagger
I’m not suggesting anything, just asking a question, and I don’t believe it will be limited to 20 teams.
That said, what is the value of these schools without the conference TV contracts? I’m asking because I don’t know.
That said, what is the value of these schools without the conference TV contracts? I’m asking because I don’t know.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 11:24 am to cyarrr
TV contracts are split equally among all members. If they were to “demote” teams, the contract and your cut shrinks. The remaining teams intrinsic value wouldn’t suddenly increase by now labeling it an upper echelon of college football. You’d lose viewers and ultimately revenue.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/8/22 at 12:06 pm to SOBMarcus
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To be fair, SWC days, err body hated err body
He has no interest in being "fair".
Being an annoying troll is his schtick.
Thanks for showing that not all Horns are complete asses.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 12:52 pm to BobLeeDagger
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TV contracts are split equally among all members. If they were to “demote” teams, the contract and your cut shrinks. The remaining teams intrinsic value wouldn’t suddenly increase by now labeling it an upper echelon of college football. You’d lose viewers and ultimately revenue.
True, but even without the monetary compensation conference members receive, there is an added value of just being in the SEC.
If, for an example, Baylor replaced Mississippi State in the SEC, how would that affect Baylor's value? Would Mississippi State's value remain the same if a Big 12 member?
In what way does State's program benefit a super conference that Baylor's program would not?
I don't think the Mississippi schools will be left out because they are already in The SEC. That said, if it were another conference that was expanding and the SEC was contracting, I'd be concerned.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:25 pm to cyarrr
Stanford and Pitt will wind up in the Big 10.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:36 pm to DownSouthJukin
Ole Miss to Conference USA.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:49 pm to cyarrr
None of that has any relevance to the thread about schools being demoted. You’re just putting out hypotheticals that have 0% chance of ever happening. Conferences are never going to shrink in size outside of teams leaving them willfully. They either grow or dissolve completely. There is no in between, no trades, nothing. You’ll need to state the size of these so call super conferences before I can actually debate you on the merit of it.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:07 pm to BobLeeDagger
The funny thing is that the BXII never was supposed to happen. Back when the SWC was breaking up, Texas was off to the PAC for the Academic prestige, and A&M was talking with the SEC. The other schools (Baylor and Tech) got wind of it and used their political connections to force the Big XII instead.
The feeling of hatred goes both ways. I hope Tech and Baylor rot in obscurity for that stunt.
The feeling of hatred goes both ways. I hope Tech and Baylor rot in obscurity for that stunt.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:17 pm to BobLeeDagger
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None of that has any relevance to the thread about schools being demoted. You’re just putting out hypotheticals that have 0% chance of ever happening. Conferences are never going to shrink in size outside of teams leaving them willfully. They either grow or dissolve completely. There is no in between, no trades, nothing.
Maybe, probably, hopefully not, but who knows, it’s a new era in college football .
Arguably, five to ten years from now there may not be conferences at all. There is speculation that the top 40-50 schools will break away from the NCAA.
If that’s the case, my point stands and is very relevant as to the purpose of this thread.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:20 pm to cyarrr
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There is speculation that the top 40-50 schools will break away from the NCAA.
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If that’s the case, my point stands and is very relevant as to the purpose of this thread.
Mississippi State and Ole Miss are both Top 40 programs.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 4:27 pm to BobLeeDagger
Mississippi State and Ole Miss are both Top 40 programs.
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Without being affiliated with the SEC, I doubt that they are.
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Without being affiliated with the SEC, I doubt that they are.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 4:48 pm to cyarrr
That doesn’t make any sense. Every team in the SEC would be worse off without affiliation. If you stripped away all conferences and held a Top 40 draft to form a brand new conference. Both would get picked.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 5:21 pm to BobLeeDagger
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That doesn’t make any sense. If you stripped away all conferences and held a Top 40 draft to form a brand new conference. Both would get picked.
It totally makes sense-
Mississippi State(214-408-20 all-time against the teams that currently make up the SEC) ranks only ahead of Vanderbilt as far as what they have accomplished as a football program in the SEC. Ole Miss for the most part has not been relevant for 60 years.
Similar to Kansas and Kansas State, historically not successful programs located in a state that is not heavily populated.
In a 40 team draft I could see one of the teams getting in, likely Ole Miss, but not both.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:07 pm to cyarrr
Name the 40. You talk about value and markets and then post all time win records, which is it? Mississippi State ranks 35th in value as of a few years ago. Value was the basis of the whole argument. You keep moving the goalposts.
Value Rankings
Value Rankings
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:34 pm to Ag Zwin
Baylor had had better athletics than A&M for the past decade haven’t they?
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:59 pm to DownSouthJukin
Ole Miss headed to high school
Posted on 7/8/22 at 7:04 pm to BobLeeDagger
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Name the 40. You talk about value and markets and then post all time win records, which is it? Mississippi State ranks 35th in value as of a few years ago. Value was the basis of the whole argument. You keep moving the goalposts.
How about you name the teams that you think they would get in over.
Also, I haven’t moved the goal post, I stated the basis of my argument which is that they occupy a small market and aren’t accomplished football programs nor national brands.
Furthermore, I stated that I believe their value rankings are inflated due to their affiliation with the SEC.
However, you retort by continuing to reference these rankings and stating that both teams would be in a 40 team draft without explanation as to why.
Seriously, please enlighten me as to why you believe they are both top 40 other than their good fortune of being in a conference with several elite programs.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 7:09 pm to cyarrr
See the numbers in the link above.
Your original post below
You haven’t given a single reason why we would be left out other than reasons like market and branding. Just throwing out buzzwords hoping something will stick
Your original post below
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if true, and if it’s about the money, does this affect schools like OleMiss/Mississippi State, Iowa/Iowa State, Kansas/Kansas State…?
You haven’t given a single reason why we would be left out other than reasons like market and branding. Just throwing out buzzwords hoping something will stick
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 7:41 pm to BobLeeDagger
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Name the 40. You talk about value and markets and then post all time win records, which is it? Mississippi State ranks 35th in value as of a few years ago. Value was the basis of the whole argument. You keep moving the goalposts.
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Florida
FSU
Miami
UGA
Notre Dame
LSU
Michigan
MICH State
Minnesota
Nebraska
North Carolina
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Oregon
Penn State
Clemson
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Washington
Arizona State
Arizona
Colorado
GT
Purdue
Iowa
NC State
Ok State
TCU
Utah
Virginia Tech
Wisconsin
2nd list are comparable
Ole Miss would definitely make a top 40 list
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