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Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:59 am to MSHawg1
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Arkansas has 2 national championships ('64 and '77)
64 championship was legit
11-0 Arkansas. 10 wins in SWC. Beat Nebraska in the Cotton
9-1 Michigan lost to Purdue at home. Won Rose Bowl
9-1 Notre Dame lost to USC at the end of the season. Did not go to a bowl
9-1-1 Florida State lost to VPI and tied Houston. Won Gator Bowl
77 was Notre Dame in AP and UPI (now coaches)
11-1 Texas beat 11-1 Arkansas in SWC
11-1 Notre Dame beat 11-1 Texas in Cotton bowl
Notre Dame > Texas > Arkansas
Other 11-1 teams that year
11-1 Alabama lost at Nebraska but beat Ohio State in the Sugar
11-1 Kentucky beat #4 Penn State but lost at Baylor (but was bowl ineligible)
11-1 Penn State lost at home to Kentucky, beat ASU in Fiesta
How do you get Hogs as MNC's in 77' when they were not even SWC champions?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:10 pm to RollTide1987
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USC got screwed out of a national championship game appearance
This is both debatable and irrelevant
As previously explained, the BCS was christened by the conferences (including the PAC-10 of which USC was a member) as the official national championship game. The polls at that point became simply a part of the formula to determine who those two teams should be. In this situation (and others during the BCS era) there were 3 teams with legitimate arguments for 2 spots, but rightly or wrongly those 2 spots were filled by LSU and Oklahoma and the National Championship game was played.
USC’s claim is based almost entirely on their standing as a college football blue blood, as their SOS was considerably weaker than Oklahoma or LSU’s and further evidenced the following season when Auburn was not afforded the same arguments made in their favor as was made for USC.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:21 pm to Oklahomey
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1964 AP & UPI - Alabama 1977 AP & UPI - Notre Dame Arkansas still at ZERO!
Arkansas also went 2-10 this season and missed out on Kelly Bryant. Sucks to be a hog fan. Arkansas is the doormat of the SEC
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:29 pm to Cheese Grits
1977 was a wild year.
The national championship was disputed as there were six teams with one loss: Alabama, Arkansas, Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State, and Kentucky (prohibited from playing in a bowl due to NCAA probation).
Bowl games
#1 Texas lost to #5 ND
#2 OU lost to #6 Arkansas
#3 Alabama beat #9 Ohio St.
#4 Michigan lost to #13 Washington
#3 Alabama was the highest team going into bowl games to win, but #5 ND jumped Bama for the title, because they beat the #1 team.
Notre Dame won with all the major polls - AP, UPI, FWAA, NFF
The national championship was disputed as there were six teams with one loss: Alabama, Arkansas, Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State, and Kentucky (prohibited from playing in a bowl due to NCAA probation).
Bowl games
#1 Texas lost to #5 ND
#2 OU lost to #6 Arkansas
#3 Alabama beat #9 Ohio St.
#4 Michigan lost to #13 Washington
#3 Alabama was the highest team going into bowl games to win, but #5 ND jumped Bama for the title, because they beat the #1 team.
Notre Dame won with all the major polls - AP, UPI, FWAA, NFF
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:32 pm to jatebe
Sounds like what happened to Auburn in 83.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:34 pm to bamaboy87
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Fun fact: every team ever awarded an AP or Coaches poll Title claims it. Every single one. From 1936-1997 before the BCS started. But I guess Bama is the team that just shouldn't claim some of theirs.
shite happens. Get over it. We didn't get it 1966
What gets me is Notre Dame outright refusing to play in bowls until the late 60s. Nobody ever gives them shite for it though.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:35 pm to bamaboy87
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Look at Penn State in the 68/69. Back to back undefeated seasons and didn't get a Title.
They have no one but themselves to blame for 69. Could've played #1 Texas in the Cotton but chose to play in the Orange instead.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:37 pm to jatebe
My point was both Alabama and Notre Dame had legit claims
Arkansas did not
Arkansas did not
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:50 pm to Korin
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Sounds like what happened to Auburn in 83.
Pretty much the same scenario. Notre damn lost to 5-6 ole miss that season. Bama beat ole miss but lost to 9-3 Nebraska.
1983, auburn beat Florida. Florida beat Miami. auburn lost to Texas.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:51 pm to MSHawg1
It's cute and all but at the end of the day, one team is going for another 9 win season while the other went 2-10 with a loss to North Texas.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The AP awarded them a national championship. USC claims it, the media recognizes it, the NCAA recognizes it, and even a press release put out by LSU at that time recognizes USC as co-national champions for 2003.
LINK
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BATON ROUGE -- The champions of college football in 2003, LSU and Southern Cal, finally met on Tuesday only the teams didn't meet on the gridiron, however, it was in the East Room at the White House.
The Tigers and Trojans were both in Washington D.C. as part of Champions Day at the White House. Other teams involved in Tuesday's celebration were Southern Cal's volleyball team, North Carolina's women's soccer team and Indiana's men's soccer team. All five teams won national titles last fall.
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This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:58 pm to RollTide1987
The NCAA also recognizes Arkansas for 1964 though. Can't have it both ways.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:01 pm to Korin
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Can't have it both ways.
If it's post-1936 and wasn't awarded by the AP, Coaches, BCS, or College Football Playoff, then I don't count it.
And yeah, Alabama's '41 claim is bullshite. As is Ohio State's claim to '61 and Arkansas's claim to '64. The FWAA is a second tier selector, despite what Wikipedia and the NCAA have to say on the matter.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:02 pm to RollTide1987
You just brought up the NCAA recognizing but now shite on the NCAA. Having it both ways. 
Besides, as long as y'all claim 1941, well...know you role.
Besides, as long as y'all claim 1941, well...know you role.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:06 pm to MSHawg1
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What is more important
It's far more important to be relevant within the past decade.
Has Arkansas been ranked at all in the Playoff Era?
Congrats on being good before we were even born.
The last time Arkansas was in the running: Ole Miss was pre-season #1, Princeton was a Top 10 team, and there were 3 national champs in the final polls
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:09 pm to RollTide1987
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The AP awarded them a national championship. USC claims it, the media recognizes it, the NCAA recognizes it, and even a press release put out by LSU at that time recognizes USC as co-national champions for 2003.
None of this matters, USC’s 2003 claim is as legitimate as UCF’s last year for reasons I’ve already explained. Even less so actually considering the BCS was the creation of the power conferences of which USC was a member. Everybody knew the rules going in, they only get the run for that title because they’re USC.
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:16 pm to Korin
quote:Minnesota was the same. Did not play in a bowl until 1960. They claim 6 national championships before that with 3 of them AP.
What gets me is Notre Dame outright refusing to play in bowls until the late 60s.
MN (8-0) claim the 1934, even though they did not play in a bowl; but Alabama (10-0) played in the Rose Bowl and was undefeated.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The concept of a split title ended when the Bowl Alliance became the BCS. The conferences sanctioned the BCS as the national championship game and the polls became simply a part of that formula to determine who would play in that game.
But USC was undefeated in regulation. You can't argue with that logic. It is why the AP picked them national champions.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:36 pm to meansonny
Are you drunk, high, or just plain stupid?
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