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re: What is more important - Weeks ranked as AP #1 or National Championships
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:44 am to MSHawg1
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:44 am to MSHawg1
Fun fact: every team ever awarded an AP or Coaches poll Title claims it. Every single one. From 1936-1997 before the BCS started. But I guess Bama is the team that just shouldn't claim some of theirs.
shite happens. Get over it. We didn't get it 1966
shite happens. Get over it. We didn't get it 1966
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:46 am to bamaboy87
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But I guess Bama is the team that just shouldn't claim some of theirs.
Never argued that. Alabama could claim their "championship" in 64. It doesn't bother me. There is just a large portion of Alabama's fanbase who think that Arkansas shouldnt be able to claim 64 when we were clearly more deserving and a better team.
The term is "shared" national championship
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:47 am to MSHawg1
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The definition of "champion" is "best".
No it’s not
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when we were clearly more deserving and a better team.
Neither of those things are clear. Would the bowls have gone differently if the polls didn’t name a champion until after them? Who knows?
What we do know is Alabama was ranked #1 in the final polls by both selectors, and it was known in advance of the season those polls would be conducted before the bowl games.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 10:50 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:58 am to MSHawg1
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Never argued that. Alabama could claim their "championship" in 64. It doesn't bother me. There is just a large portion of Alabama's fanbase who think that Arkansas shouldnt be able to claim 64 when we were clearly more deserving and a better team.
The term is "shared" national championship
I never said arkansas couldn't claim a share of it. But there is a large portion of Arkansas fans that claim it's "rightfully belongs to arkansas."
Alabama and Arkansas didn't play that season. Can't really say they were the better team. Alabama lost to Texas on a controversial call as well(Joe Namath and teammates still say he crossed the goal line).
Like I said, shite happens. You win some, you lose some. Look at Penn State in the 68/69. Back to back undefeated seasons and didn't get a Title.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:04 am to bamaboy87
By any objective measure Alabama is the only one who can truly claim it. And I’m as neutral an observer as it gets
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
Eh. The FWAA is still a legitimate claim. But it doesn't hold the same weight that the AP/Coaches does.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:08 am to MSHawg1
Who says you can't have both?
Roll Tide!
Roll Tide!
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:13 am to bamaboy87
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The FWAA is still a legitimate claim
Disagree, especially considering they were playing by different rules than everyone else
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:13 am to genro
Amen brother
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:14 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Disagree, especially considering they were playing by different rules than everyone else
Their rules found the best team.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:15 am to LB84
quote:Coaches poll (UP, UPI) was also a major poll. 73 is a split title.
You guys claim 73
USC claims 1978 because they won the Coaches poll (you know, the one with the Crystal Ball).
Other split titles....
1954 - Ohio St. AP; UCLA UPI
1957 - Auburn AP; Ohio St. UPI (Coaches)
1965 - Alabama AP; Michigan St. UPI
1973 - ND AP; Bama UPI
1974 - OU AP; USC UPI
1978 - Bama AP; USC UPI
1990 - Colorado AP; GT UPI
1991 - Miami AP; Washington UPI
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:18 am to jatebe
1997 michigan/Nebraska
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:23 am to bamaboy87
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The FWAA is still a legitimate claim.
I definitely don't agree with this. Alabama was without a doubt the best team in the land in 1961. AP and UPI both awarded their national championship trophy to Alabama. FWAA inexplicably gave theirs to Ohio State despite having an inferior record and playing a similar strength of schedule.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:27 am to jatebe
You left off 1997 Michigan/Nebraska and 2003 LSU/USC.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:37 am to MSHawg1
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Their rules found the best team.
No bias in that statement at all
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:37 am to RollTide1987
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and 2003 LSU/USC.
Not a split title, the BCS did away with them as previously explained.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:41 am to MSHawg1
Sorantable please......
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
The AP has been considered the gold standard since 1936. While the College Football Playoff has all but made their rankings irrelevant, they were still a major selector in the BCS Era.
USC is a legitimate selection for 2003 for the following reasons:
- They were ranked #1 in both major polls after the conference championship games had been played.
- The only reason why they didn't finish #1 in both the AP and the Coaches Poll in 2003 is because the voters of the Coaches Poll were obligated to vote the winner of the Sugar Bowl #1. Despite this fact, the final Coaches Poll wasn't unanimous for LSU as some five or six coaches still voted USC #1.
- They went to the White House with LSU to be honored as national champions of college football for 2003.
USC got screwed out of a national championship game appearance. Oklahoma had no business being in that game after getting annihilated by Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship Game. I know it and you know it. Their claim to a share of the 2003 national championship is legitimate because the oldest major selector awarded their trophy to them. BCS be damned.
USC is a legitimate selection for 2003 for the following reasons:
- They were ranked #1 in both major polls after the conference championship games had been played.
- The only reason why they didn't finish #1 in both the AP and the Coaches Poll in 2003 is because the voters of the Coaches Poll were obligated to vote the winner of the Sugar Bowl #1. Despite this fact, the final Coaches Poll wasn't unanimous for LSU as some five or six coaches still voted USC #1.
- They went to the White House with LSU to be honored as national champions of college football for 2003.
USC got screwed out of a national championship game appearance. Oklahoma had no business being in that game after getting annihilated by Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship Game. I know it and you know it. Their claim to a share of the 2003 national championship is legitimate because the oldest major selector awarded their trophy to them. BCS be damned.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 11:45 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:43 am to RollTide1987
quote:I was trying to list pre-BCS.
You left off 1997 Michigan/Nebraska and 2003 LSU/USC.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:53 am to LB84
quote:Look @ my post with the split national championships & check out the websites for all the teams listed. I guaran-damn-tee that all of them claim that year for a natty.
You guys claim 73 in which you lost the bowl game and the AP Poll put you at 4? What's the explanation there?
This is why the pre-BCS, BCS, CFP came into being. Everybody ranted because they couldn't win, so to make it harder for the Blue Bloods (Bama, OU, Ohio St. Neb., USC, etc.) the football powers started the pre-BCS back in 1992.
So far, it hasn't kept Alabama out.
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