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re: What if the SEC was divided into 4 equal divisions?

Posted on 8/28/24 at 6:21 am to
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
3178 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 6:21 am to
This is the one! Looks better geographically, traditionally and balanced competitively.
Posted by Bubbles Up
Member since Jul 2011
2910 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 6:52 am to
Those would not be the pods:

A&M/LSU/State/OM
OU/tu/Arky/Missery
UF/UGA/Auburn/SC
UK/Vandy/Bama/Tenner

At least one perm from each pod.
Posted by gamecockman12
Columbia, SC
Member since Aug 2012
7637 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:47 am to
quote:

Div 4: Miss State, Vandy, SC, Ark


I'd take that division in a heartbeat
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:50 am to
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Also affords the ability to rotate through every team in the SEC every three years.

Makes too much sense to actually happen.


If you have a 9 game schedule with 3 permanent opponents WITHOUT divisions, you can rotate through the entire SEC every two years rather than 3. You can have a home and home series with every team every 4 seasons.

For example, if UGA's permanent opponents were UF, AU and SC, their "twice every 4 years" opponents would be:

Oklahoma/Texas
Kentucky/Vandy
Ole Miss/MSU
Alabama/LSU
Arkansas/Mizzou
A&M/Tennessee

That's six sets of 2 teams. It works out perfectly. You'd basically only have to make out 4 schedules (rotating 3 of the teams each year off the schedule with the other 3 rotating home/away) Those 4 schedules could then be on a rotation forever.

It's not complex. It's fair. It keeps rivalries. And it ensures teams play every other conference team regularly.
Posted by The Dude Abides
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2010
2260 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:56 am to
quote:


Atlantic:
South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Auburn

Southwest:
Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas

Gulf:
Alabama, Mississippi, Miss State, LSU

North:
Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt


FIFY

South:

Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vandy

East:

Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
Kentucky

Central:
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St
Missouri


West:

Texas
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Arkansas

Posted by Insurancerebel
Madison
Member since Aug 2021
2296 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 8:15 am to
quote:

Southwest:
Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas

Gulf:
Alabama, Mississippi, Miss State, LSU


WTF is equal about this?

Lets go with MIzzu, Texas, OK and Texas A&M

OM, MSU, ARK, LSU.

Bama, AU, TN Vandy

USC, GA, FL, Kentucky
Posted by Buster83
Member since Aug 2021
4626 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 8:17 am to
Posted by OklahomaLurker
Member since Jul 2021
96 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 8:49 am to
My preferences in order ( not like that matters)


9 games with 4 team divisions

9 games with flex schedules(OU,Mizzou,Scar don't have three rivals, give them two)

9 game E/W split

9 games with 1 rival

9 games with 3 rivals
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36659 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:02 am to
I don't see nine conference games unless it becomes more profitable than eight.

The assumption that ESPN or another network would pay more for more product hasn't panned out. And without a significant payout it just costs home gates and lower tier teams bowl eligibility.

There's also a competitive imbalance problem that it accentuates because with an odd number of conference games the number of home and away games are irregular. Given that home field advantage is a thing we should be leery of that imbalance
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
6459 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:56 am to
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I don't see nine conference games unless it becomes more profitable than eight.


Then why have a conference? So we can act all bad but the truth is we pad our lame schedule with high schools?

SEC is lame arse in this regard. It’s all a big rouse rigged to make its chicken shite teams look good.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36659 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 10:55 am to
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SEC is lame arse in this regard. It’s all a big rouse rigged to make its chicken shite teams look good



What are you talking about? The lower tier teams experience little success with little respect, especially compared to what they might expect in the ACC or Big 12.

If you are South Carolina or MSU you have a great fan base, good facilities, NFL players on your roster and are generally regarded as trash.
Posted by GobyGator
Under the sea
Member since Jan 2013
340 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 2:24 pm to
The way to do this is not just divide into 4 pods of 4. You also allow each to to have a rival in each of other pods. That way each year a team plays, three feom their pod, three rivals and three from a cross pod. All teams played in the three years. You preserve/restore traditional rivals and easier to balance difficulties. A team gets a perceived east pod they get more difficult rivals.
Posted by Arkyologist
Appalachia
Member since Feb 2023
345 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 3:03 pm to
Arkansas is much more culturally similar to OM, MS and LSU.

If anything it should be:

AR
LSU
MS
OM

and

MO
OU
TX
A&M
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
9993 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 3:16 pm to
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North:
Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt


Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36659 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 3:26 pm to
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The way to do this is not just divide into 4 pods of 4. You also allow each to to have a rival in each of other pods. That way each year a team plays, three feom their pod, three rivals and three from a cross pod. All teams played in the three years. You preserve/restore traditional rivals and easier to balance difficulties. A team gets a perceived east pod they get more difficult rivals.


Mostly agree. Obviously the newcomers lack real historical rivals but the system doesn't work unless you build the same style of treatment for everyone.

Here's a good option:

Regional groups
NW: Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Arkansas
SW: LSU, A&M, OM, MSU
SE: Georgia, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
NE: Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt

A fixed opponent for each logically follows to keep more rivalries and even out the scheduling. If you have eight conference games then you play each of them four years out of six (1/3rd of the time in the rotated group and 1/3rd as the extra opponent). If you have nine conference games you play all of them every year.

The lower tier teams (eg Kentucky and Vanderbilt in the NE group) get lower tier opponents fixed out of group to compensate for tougher in group opponents. The SE group also gets one fewer upper tier opponent out of group to adjust for the extra big six opponent in group. Lastly I played around with the fixed opponents to spread around the games in bigger recruiting states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana.

That yielded opponents:

NW:
Oklahoma: LSU, Tennessee, Georgia
Texas: A&M, Alabama, Auburn
Arkansas: OM, Vanderbilt, Florida
Missouri: MSU, Kentucky, South Carolina
SW:
LSU: Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida
A&M: Texas, Tennessee, Georgia
OM: Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Auburn
MSU: Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina
SE:
Florida: Tennessee, LSU, Arkansas
Georgia: Kentucky, A&M, Oklahoma
Auburn: Alabama, OM, Texas
South Carolina: Vanderbilt, MSU, Missouri
NE:
Alabama: Auburn, Texas, LSU
Tennessee: Florida, Oklahoma, A&M
Kentucky: Georgia, Missouri, MSU
Vanderbilt: South Carolina, Arkansas, OM

You could easily switch Auburn and Kentucky with similar effects. Either way Auburn is playing either Alabama or Georgia from the other group.
This post was edited on 8/28/24 at 6:22 pm
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