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re: What if Petrino had stayed at Arkansas?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:09 pm to Mithridates6
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:09 pm to Mithridates6
The SWC was as strong as the SEC or any other conference, it is just that you couldn't find a conference that was as strong as the SEC top to bottom right now. Teams go in cycles and don't remain on top forever. The bowl records between the conferences from the foundation of those conferences to 1969 was a one to two game difference in the SEC favor and certainly not the dominance of SEC or fans keep echoing that the SWC sucks. We played teams that were ranked in the SWC and it was by no means the sunbelt conference.
When the 70s and 80s started coming around, a lot of cheating was coming around and back when the NCAA actually enforced the rules, they punished teams with severe probation or the death penalty.
When the 70s and 80s started coming around, a lot of cheating was coming around and back when the NCAA actually enforced the rules, they punished teams with severe probation or the death penalty.
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Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:12 pm to dchog
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The 2015 year, Petrino was looking at winning the SEC. Bert had all the talent in place but Bert farted it away. Petrino would have won 11-13 games with that team
Hard to really gauge these type of hypotheticals because Petrino probably wouldn’t have Alex Collins in the backfield, for example.
Not sure our defense was good enough to win that many games in 2015. But that offense was the best we’ve had since the Petrino years for sure. We definitely should have won more than 8 with all the NFL players on the team in 2014-15.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:20 pm to gohogs141
What happened against Toledo and TTU is what I'm wondering. That TTU defense was FCS tier, they got shredded by LSU in the Texas Bowl and we had a much worse offense than yall did
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:29 pm to Mithridates6
It would be very difficult for any coach to win the SEC or natty in football here.The SEC is as strong now as it's ever been and our state doesn't produce a world of talent like our neighbors do.
We can be a spoiler,which is our history,but toe to toe we don't match up.
As far as Petrino is concerned,I could see a Lou Holtz type of career here.Offensive genius who didn't recruit well and petered out.
Our best success came from coaches who loved and embraced our program,Broyles,Hatfield and Nutt.
Pittman,though I didn't know it,has a love and respect of our program since his youth.There's no doubt in my mind that he will pour all that is in him to make this program respectable again.
Whether it happens or not,it won't be from lack of effort.
Go Hogs.
We can be a spoiler,which is our history,but toe to toe we don't match up.
As far as Petrino is concerned,I could see a Lou Holtz type of career here.Offensive genius who didn't recruit well and petered out.
Our best success came from coaches who loved and embraced our program,Broyles,Hatfield and Nutt.
Pittman,though I didn't know it,has a love and respect of our program since his youth.There's no doubt in my mind that he will pour all that is in him to make this program respectable again.
Whether it happens or not,it won't be from lack of effort.
Go Hogs.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:36 pm to Clark14
Yeah that's why I think Pittman will be better even if yall could've gotten Kiff. Definitely pulling for the Hogs to be a consistent winner again soon, one of my favorite SEC programs 
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:56 pm to Mithridates6
Yeah the Toledo game was a weird one. 16-12 final score I think even though we outgained them by about 300 yards. Had 2-3 scores called back and it was the 2nd game with Enos as OC so the offense wasn’t as sharp as it was later in the year. They had a good team that year though led by Matt Campbell. The Texas Tech game Mahomes just outscored us. Kept settling for field goals while they got TDs.
If we win those two games we likely go 10-3 that year. Bielema eventually fizzled out here and we still haven’t really recovered but there were a few years where he was super close to winning 9 or 10 games with a little more luck. Pretty sure under him we were tied with Syracuse or someone for most close (7 or less) losses of any P5 program. We lost to Alabama in 2014 because of a missed extra point lol
If we win those two games we likely go 10-3 that year. Bielema eventually fizzled out here and we still haven’t really recovered but there were a few years where he was super close to winning 9 or 10 games with a little more luck. Pretty sure under him we were tied with Syracuse or someone for most close (7 or less) losses of any P5 program. We lost to Alabama in 2014 because of a missed extra point lol
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:59 pm to Mithridates6
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:03 pm to gohogs141
If Alex Collins didn't come then Petrino would get another good running that would be close to his equal. Remember he recruited Davis and Williams.
Our defense wasn't good but still better than Bert's last two years. That offense was explosive enough that they could outlast most defenses. So the defense was tasked with contain and that is what they did.
I will list three games that should be wins Toledo, Texas Tech and Mississippi State. The state loss cost us a sugar Bowl bid. Bert and some players complained a bout playing in Little Rock but yet lost to a rent a win in Toledo. I went to the Texas Tech game and Brandon Allen played scared and short handed his passes. Thus our offense stalled and we lost by 11. That was still a 10 win plus team.
Our defense wasn't good but still better than Bert's last two years. That offense was explosive enough that they could outlast most defenses. So the defense was tasked with contain and that is what they did.
I will list three games that should be wins Toledo, Texas Tech and Mississippi State. The state loss cost us a sugar Bowl bid. Bert and some players complained a bout playing in Little Rock but yet lost to a rent a win in Toledo. I went to the Texas Tech game and Brandon Allen played scared and short handed his passes. Thus our offense stalled and we lost by 11. That was still a 10 win plus team.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:17 pm to dchog
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lost to a rent a win in Toledo.
We definitely should have won that one but I wouldn’t necessarily call that Toledo team a rent a win. They were 10 points away from going 13-0 that year, beat two P5 teams and a ranked Temple team in the bowl game coached by Matt Rhule.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:20 pm to Mithridates6
I'm glad we didn't get Kiffin.He didn't set well with me as far as coaching skill and commitment to a program,though he has a history here.Not a good fit.
I wanted the Pirate for entertainment purposes but that ship sailed.
Thanks for pulling for us.We need to be competitive again.
I wanted the Pirate for entertainment purposes but that ship sailed.
Thanks for pulling for us.We need to be competitive again.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:25 pm to Clark14
Pittman seems like he could be a mirror of Orgeron, longtime a proven assistant and recruiter with deep ties to the area who wants to be there for the rest of his career
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:31 pm to Clark14
It is only as easy or difficult as you make it. Everything else is an excuse or loser talk. If you want to win, it will be done, if you think it is too hard or almost impossible then it will mostly likely never be done. Who wants to think like that? A fan should never give up and I won't and have not.
What you hire is what you hire and you are what your record says you are. Hire a good coach and you get good results or hire a Houston Nutt and be 7-5. You get whatever effort you put into and we have slacked off and made excuses for 30 years.
Our state doesn't produce talent because students in the little rock metro no longer play football and are under coached or underdeveloped. You have more underdeveloped talent in Little Rock Metro than the whole state of Oklahoma. But yet it is wasted year after year.
We have won over 700 games after 30 years of chicken shite. With 13 SWC titles that is not a spoiler but a contender for a good part of its history. Spoilers are not in that category. We were able to go to toe toe and win it in 64 and should be given the one in 78. We came close in other years, we have proven we could match up.
Broyles and Hatfield were the only ones that cared and because of that they won. Nutt didn't care and won just enough to keep his job. Another underachiever and loser.
What you hire is what you hire and you are what your record says you are. Hire a good coach and you get good results or hire a Houston Nutt and be 7-5. You get whatever effort you put into and we have slacked off and made excuses for 30 years.
Our state doesn't produce talent because students in the little rock metro no longer play football and are under coached or underdeveloped. You have more underdeveloped talent in Little Rock Metro than the whole state of Oklahoma. But yet it is wasted year after year.
We have won over 700 games after 30 years of chicken shite. With 13 SWC titles that is not a spoiler but a contender for a good part of its history. Spoilers are not in that category. We were able to go to toe toe and win it in 64 and should be given the one in 78. We came close in other years, we have proven we could match up.
Broyles and Hatfield were the only ones that cared and because of that they won. Nutt didn't care and won just enough to keep his job. Another underachiever and loser.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:39 pm to gohogs141
They were still a team should beat by three touchdowns. No excuse for losing that game but Bert would rather go to Vegas and get drunk instead of doing his job.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:11 pm to dchog
Bert would rather go to Vegas and watch Jenn straddle a pole. 
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:19 pm to redeye
Remember we into that game without Knile Davis who led the SEC in rushing the year before. Dennis Johnson was good but Davis had 4.3 speed at 230 pounds and was out running defenses like it was a walk in the park.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:26 pm to RT1941
Well he had a recruit on campus that Sam Pittman had brought over. They were waiting on Bert to come and visit this player. Instead Bert took a flight to Vegas and Sam was left to explain to this player what happened. This player was a four year starter at an SEC school instead. It was bad enough that Sam couldn't work with Bert who was irresponsible and made Sam look like a fool. So Sam left after 2015.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:58 pm to redeye
The SEC championship was the Natty that year
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:02 pm to dchog
It's truly a joy to see how far the Arky fans on here have fallen since those days #mercyknee
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:26 pm to dchog
I don't hate Nutt like you do.
You are no doubt a Hogville boy.
Some of the best games I've seen were in the SEC coached by Nutt.
Too bad your hate out weighs your love for the program..
You are no doubt a Hogville boy.
Some of the best games I've seen were in the SEC coached by Nutt.
Too bad your hate out weighs your love for the program..
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:03 am to Clark14
I don't hate the tool, he just overstated his welcome and should have been fired much earlier. Became the first head coach to survive back to back losing seasons since the 50s.
I'm not but you sound like you would fit right in.
I guess that is something to brag a bout? He never won any game of importance and when it did happen, it was erased by a blowout or teams he was favored but found ways to lose them.
Nutt had the most embarrassing blowouts in razorback history. He always had one starting in 99 through 07. Does UNLV, Tennessee, Minnesota or USC ring a bell?
I'm not the one who is making excuses. I expect better from the university unlike you.
I'm not but you sound like you would fit right in.
I guess that is something to brag a bout? He never won any game of importance and when it did happen, it was erased by a blowout or teams he was favored but found ways to lose them.
Nutt had the most embarrassing blowouts in razorback history. He always had one starting in 99 through 07. Does UNLV, Tennessee, Minnesota or USC ring a bell?
I'm not the one who is making excuses. I expect better from the university unlike you.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 12:17 am
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