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re: What grades would you give Kelly and Napier so far?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:36 pm to diddlydawg7
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:36 pm to diddlydawg7
c and c
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:37 pm to 3down10
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Ok, let's look.
2022 College Football Team Talent Composite
#8 LSU
#12 Florida
Still don't know why people think this is an accurate measure of the talent on a team. It considers a 4/5 star freshman who is not ready to play and a 4/5 star three-year senior starter as the same player.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:39 pm to diddlydawg7
I would put Napier ahead of both Sarkisian and Venables at the moment.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:39 pm to Tammany Tom
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Absolutely. Yes. Again, a first year head coach taking over a program that was damaged greatly over the past 2 years is not about W-L record in their first year.
Your coach went 7-6 and lost to LA-Monroe his first year. I think we can all agree that Saban was the ultimate grand slam HR of all time hires by Alabama.
I wouldn't have given Saban an "A" his first year. I don't think anyone did. We understood it was his first year, and for that reason we gave him a pass, but I don't remember anyone talking about how great things were and that he was doing such a great job.
I certainly liked the things he would say, and had faith in that. But it's just that, faith on the future, not a grade on the present.
Even more so if I was comparing him to another coach who was doing better and going so far as to say that other coach was much worse despite doing everything better.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:39 pm to diddlydawg7
Reminder that's we've played 3 teams currently ranked in the top 12. LSU has played 1 ranked team (#23 FSU).
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:39 pm to diddlydawg7
Kelly F because of the grinding on young boys and phony and fake accent.
Napier B
Napier B
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:40 pm to Mulkey Man
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Still don't know why people think this is an accurate measure of the talent on a team. It considers a 4/5 star freshman who is not ready to play and a 4/5 star three-year senior starter as the same player.
That goes for UF though as well, not just LSU.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:40 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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That goes for UF though as well, not just LSU.
Absolutely.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:41 pm to Mulkey Man
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Still don't know why people think this is an accurate measure of the talent on a team. It considers a 4/5 star freshman who is not ready to play and a 4/5 star three-year senior starter as the same player.
While it's not perfect, it's the best measure we have.
The assumption is that the talent at recruiting time was measured right, but the performance is impacted by coaching (which is why more talented teams can underperform).
To be honest, I think the gap between LSU and UF is more in favor of LSU than that measure. Much of UF's highest ranked talent is older guys who were misses and transferred in to UF from where they failed. UF is on a downward trajectory for the next couple of years (they went from 8 last year to 12 this year).
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:42 pm to 3down10
According to LSU fans we were supposed to be 1-3 at this point. We're 2-2 and that means Napier is a disaster per LSU nation. 
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:42 pm to DawgsLife
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Almost surreal to me. I was born inn baton Rouge and grew up an LSU fan and I clearly remember a time when Louisiana was full of QB talent...
Well, we had Howard, Manning, and Holstein in the last 2 classes, but generally quarterbacks in Louisiana high schools are the best athletes on their team and they do really well in 7-on-7. Before those guys, Finley was probably the best QB out of Louisiana in about the last 10 years.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:43 pm to Mulkey Man
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Still don't know why people think this is an accurate measure of the talent on a team. It considers a 4/5 star freshman who is not ready to play and a 4/5 star three-year senior starter as the same player.
It doesn't have to be perfect to provide value.
It just shows that in general LSU was not hurting for talent as much as they say.
And at any rate, LSU only had 15 kids in it's last class, so I don't really think it's biased towards LSU in the manner you are talking. LSU has experienced players and it's the freshman that are missing.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:43 pm to LSBoosie
FSU did not dominate LSU. FSU dominated the first have, followed by LSU dominating the 2nd half. FSU ended with more points after a missed assignment leading to a blocked extra point. LSU played like absolute dog shite in the first half. If you watched the game you would know that. LSU lost 4pts from a blocked field goal and extra point, BOTH of which were from a missed assignment from someone starting at kick blocking for the first time in their career.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:44 pm to 3down10
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Kelly A's
B+
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Napier C's and D's
Speak for yourself. I like Napier.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:45 pm to DawginSC
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While it's not perfect, it's the best measure we have.
The assumption is that the talent at recruiting time was measured right, but the performance is impacted by coaching (which is why more talented teams can underperform).
To be honest, I think the gap between LSU and UF is more in favor of LSU than that measure. Much of UF's highest ranked talent is older guys who were misses and transferred in to UF from where they failed. UF is on a downward trajectory for the next couple of years (they went from 8 last year to 12 this year).
The problem is it's based solely a rankings when players were coming out of high school. So Trey Dean and Brenton Cox are still rated 4* and 5* even though they've been nothing but disappointing their entire careers.
And our best OL and RB are transfers from ULL.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:47 pm to CatfishJohn
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Not sure. I haven't put much thought into it. Doesn't make sense. And I wasn't talking to you, but thanks for your interest in LSU.
So 1-3.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:47 pm to 3down10
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LSU has experienced players and it's the freshman that are missing.
LSU is starting freshmen tackles and its leading tackler is a freshman, but yes, it was a small class with the coaching change.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:48 pm to diddlydawg7
Both coaches have apparently take steps that were needed to get some bad influences out of their program. I think LSU's problems were bigger than those of Florida, because there were only 39 scholarship players on the roster for the bowl game. Kelly is a proven commodity; Napier has to earn his spurs at this level. The obvious key will be recruiting quality players with good character to each program.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:50 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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The problem is it's based solely a rankings when players were coming out of high school. So Trey Dean and Brenton Cox are still rated 4* and 5* even though they've been nothing but disappointing their entire careers.
This guy gets it. LSU is "credited" with a five-star recruit in John Emery, who has not developed for various reasons. Is he considered more talented than 4-star Devon Achane? Of course not, it's a dumb proposition.
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