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re: What grades would you give Kelly and Napier so far?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:20 pm to diddlydawg7
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:20 pm to diddlydawg7
It’s really early to give real grades at this point.
I’m sure both fan bases were expecting a rebuilding year, and really you just want to see improvement throughout the year.
LSU is not going to win all its games. But if the team competes, plays good disciplined defense, continues to improve on offense and no longer sucks at special teams, that should get us through this season just fine.
Kelly will have a lot more pressure on him next season.
I’m sure both fan bases were expecting a rebuilding year, and really you just want to see improvement throughout the year.
LSU is not going to win all its games. But if the team competes, plays good disciplined defense, continues to improve on offense and no longer sucks at special teams, that should get us through this season just fine.
Kelly will have a lot more pressure on him next season.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:21 pm to DawgsLife
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My comments are honest opinions, and not meant to belittle of troll LSU, btw.
Yeah, I know, it's just as an outsider you probably don't pay attention to LSU's depth chart.
Orgeron recruited LSU extremely well. Even Saban couldn't beat him out for top recruits. Louisiana talent is usually light in offensive line, QB, TE. So you can get half of the top 20 players in Louisiana and have high ranked class, but you're probably never going to build an SEC caliber offensive line, and your QB's won't be as advanced.
We only got 3 of the top 10 players in state in 2022. The top 4 WR all went out of state. LSU didn't even get a RB, and we whiffed on 3. We only signed 15 high schoolers.
Kelly was still able to pull in some transfer at positions of need and make a 6th overall class.
Our 2023 is mostly out of staters. Kelly is recruiting more nationally.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:21 pm to bnb9433
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you won't lose 10 players to the draft next year either, so no worries there
No clue. I know it will be 7 minimum, but I don't keep track of that crap.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:22 pm to DawgsLife
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This is what I don't understand. LSU has been a top 3-5 team in recruiting. I'm not sure he is "killing it in recruiting." Right now he is below normal LSU levels. It's still a lot of time and could change, though.
He's recruiting nationally to needs. And recruiting a much higher caliber person, not a bunch of grade risk kids with mixed up priorities. It's easy to have highly ranked recruiting classes at LSU because you can get 10+ athletes from the state each year that are awesome. Orgeron left our roster in shambles with highly ranked classes.
Kelly is managing the roster much better with his recruiting. Although we do need some LB recruits to jump on board.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:24 pm to diddlydawg7
Napier beat a top 10 team in the first game of the year. Then he had to play two more top 10 teams and had opportunities to beat UT. Kelly seems lost at times and LSU has only played one good team and if not for absolutely horrible coaching by Norvell would have lost by 2 TDs.
Napier B+
Kelly C-
Napier B+
Kelly C-
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:24 pm to diddlydawg7
Given what each coach inherited:
Kelly - A
Napier - C-
Kelly - A
Napier - C-
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:27 pm to LSBoosie
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I love LSU too, but week one was not a flukey loss. FSU dominated us.
They absolutely did not dominate us. WTF.
We had two muffed punts and two blocked kicks on whiffed assignments. Their QB made a handful of insane 3rd and long passes that kept drives alive as well.
They outgained us in yards 392-348, but we had more first downs. We lost by 1 at the last second, but had all the momentum if we had gone into OT.
That is just not dominating. Maybe you can say that for the first half? Did you stop watching then?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:28 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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Given what each coach inherited:
Ok, let's look.
2022 College Football Team Talent Composite
#8 LSU
#12 Florida
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Kelly - A
Napier - C-
So I don't know how you came to this conclusion.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:28 pm to DawgsLife
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I would be kind of curious about how Florida and LSU fans feel about their own coach.
B+ for Kelly. Special teams have been atrocious, but improving. Still can't trust the kicker. Offense could have been friendlier to Jaydens limitations from game 1.
Can't comment fairly on Napier, but it's apples to oranges. He's had tougher competition this season but less turnover from last years team. I think he'll do well enough.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:28 pm to DWag215
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Not sure but Kelly seems like a disaster.
Ikr. remember when he lost to app state?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:29 pm to diddlydawg7
You don't grade new coaches on W-L record after 4 games. lol You don't even grade them on W-L record for first season. Do people even remember that Nick Saban went 7-6 his first season at Alabama????
You grade a first year head coach on what he's done to change the culture. How he's changed the mind-set of the current players into a mind-set on doing things fundamentally correct. You grade them on how well they have built a recruiting base and how well they are relating to new recruits and their families. You grade them on how well they have brought together the administration, boosters, coaches, and players all into one agenda, one aligned program. How well were they able to sell players, in positions of need, to come to their school.
Kelly has excelled at all these things. He gets a firm A.
You grade a first year head coach on what he's done to change the culture. How he's changed the mind-set of the current players into a mind-set on doing things fundamentally correct. You grade them on how well they have built a recruiting base and how well they are relating to new recruits and their families. You grade them on how well they have brought together the administration, boosters, coaches, and players all into one agenda, one aligned program. How well were they able to sell players, in positions of need, to come to their school.
Kelly has excelled at all these things. He gets a firm A.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:29 pm to CatfishJohn
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They absolutely did not dominate us. WTF.
We had two muffed punts and two blocked kicks on whiffed assignments. Their QB made a handful of insane 3rd and long passes that kept drives alive as well.
They outgained us in yards 392-348, but we had more first downs. We lost by 1 at the last second, but had all the momentum if we had gone into OT.
That is just not dominating. Maybe you can say that for the first half? Did you stop watching then?
What do you think LSU's record would be on Florida's schedule?
LSU vs #12 Utah?
LSU vs #7 Tennessee?
LSU vs #8 Kentucky?
And I'll assume LSU could beat South Florida.
I'm seeing a 1-3 record. Would you have the same opinion of Kelly if LSU was 1-3 right now?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:30 pm to wadewilson
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Yeah, I know, it's just as an outsider you probably don't pay attention to LSU's depth chart.
Correct. I have a hard enough time keeping with with Georgia's.
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Orgeron recruited LSU extremely well. Even Saban couldn't beat him out for top recruits. Louisiana talent is usually light in offensive line, QB, TE.
Almost surreal to me. I was born inn baton Rouge and grew up an LSU fan and I clearly remember a time when Louisiana was full of QB talent....but of course that was a long time ago. Terry Bradshaw, Bert Jones etc...
quote:Sometimes that can be better than getting a highly rated class. Filling in gaps at positions of need.
Kelly was still able to pull in some transfer at positions of need and make a 6th overall class.
quote:It has worked for Alabama and Georgia. It will be interesting to see how it goes for LSU. Thanks for having a sane conversation!
Our 2023 is mostly out of staters. Kelly is recruiting more nationally.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:30 pm to 3down10
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So I don't know how you came to this conclusion.
Because most of LSU's starters played for other teams last season, and all of their coaches are new together.
Why is this so hard for you understand? Are you fricking retarded?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:30 pm to 3down10
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2022 College Football Team Talent Composite
These things are dumb as shite. It doesn't devalue busts, take into account experience, or look at how evenly spread the talent is across position groups.
We have massive talent holes on our roster, much moreso than FL.
I'm not grading Napier either, I'm just saying people don't realize the shite show of a roster Brian Kelly inherited at LSU.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:32 pm to wadewilson
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Because most of LSU's starters played for other teams last season, and all of their coaches are new together.
Why is this so hard for you understand? Are you fricking retarded?
You are the guys that keep giving Kelly A's and Napier C's and D's.
I'm just trying to isolate why. Where is the factor that suggests it?
Because it appears to me like you're just a bunch of dumbass homers.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:32 pm to wadewilson
quote:Yeah, it was rough against FSU, but i have noticed any glaring mishaps lately. (I haven't been able to watch a lot of LSU football, though.)
Special teams have been atrocious, but improving.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:35 pm to 3down10
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Would you have the same opinion of Kelly if LSU was 1-3 right now?
Absolutely. Yes. Again, a first year head coach taking over a program that was damaged greatly over the past 2 years is not about W-L record in their first year.
Your coach went 7-6 and lost to LA-Monroe his first year. I think we can all agree that Saban was the ultimate grand slam HR of all time hires by Alabama.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:35 pm to CatfishJohn
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These things are dumb as shite. It doesn't devalue busts, take into account experience, or look at how evenly spread the talent is across position groups.
I'll agree it's not the best thing. But it's also not the worst either. That LSU is still in the top10 while having that many less recruits just highlights that the talent is there, and the holes needing to be filled are no where near as bad as what LSU fans claim.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:35 pm to 3down10
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What do you think LSU's record would be on Florida's schedule?
Not sure. I haven't put much thought into it. Doesn't make sense. And I wasn't talking to you, but thanks for your interest in LSU.
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