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re: Waddel, Smith, Chase, Pickens
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:38 am to Solo Cam
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:38 am to Solo Cam
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Lol you trying to include Pickens with the big boys is adorable
Marshall is better than Pickens.
They have completely different skill sets. Comparing them at all is stupid. Also, no one knows the “ceiling” for any of them.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:39 am to sand mountainDvalues
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Pickens doesn’t deserve to be listed anywhere near the other 3.
I can understand your perspective, but if you compare Pickens’ FR season to the other 3, I think you can make an argument he might belong up there soon.
The other guys just have more experience right now.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:45 am to SammyTiger
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As a receiver I don't know why Waddle has shown that hes on the level of Chase and Pickens.
Because when he was featured and given touches he is absolutely electric.
- 82.5% catch rate, #1 highest returning WR in the SEC
- 27.5% explosive rate, #1 highest returning WR in the SEC
- 12.00 Yards After Catch, #1 returning WR in the SEC
- 14.00 Yards Per Target, #3 highest returning WR in the SEC (behind D. Smith and Chase)
- 67.5% success rate, #3 highest returning WR in the SEC
When a ball is thrown his way it is caught more often than anyone else in the SEC. When he catches a ball he is more explosive with it than anyone in the SEC.
That pretty much explains it.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
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When a ball is thrown his way it is caught more often than anyone else in the SEC. When he catches a ball he is more explosive with it than anyone in the SEC.
Is he usually covered by a team's 3rd or 4th defensive back due to the presence of the other 3?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:52 am to SidewalkTiger
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Is he usually covered by a team's 3rd or 4th defensive back due to the presence of the other 3?
Couldn't we apply that same logic to Marshall?
Waddle is in the conversation because he's proven himself to be a very, very good receiver. I certainly wouldn't put him in the conversation with Chase yet, but he's right there with the next tier guys.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Because when he was featured and given touches he is absolutely electric.
- 82.5% catch rate, #1 highest returning WR in the SEC
- 27.5% explosive rate, #1 highest returning WR in the SEC
- 12.00 Yards After Catch, #1 returning WR in the SEC
- 14.00 Yards Per Target, #3 highest returning WR in the SEC (behind D. Smith and Chase)
- 67.5% success rate, #3 highest returning WR in the SEC
When a ball is thrown his way it is caught more often than anyone else in the SEC. When he catches a ball he is more explosive with it than anyone in the SEC.
That pretty much explains it.
So why isn't he getting more balls?
And also ill say this: I don't by any means think hes not a good WR.
But hes a lot of Catch and run. I feel like Smith and Chase can do more, or at least have done more.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:58 am to SammyTiger
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So why isn't he getting more balls?
2020 NFL Draft
#12 - Henry Ruggs (#1 WR in draft)
#15 - Jerry Jeudy (#2 WR in draft)
That's a good place to start
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:00 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Is he usually covered by a team's 3rd or 4th defensive back due to the presence of the other 3?
Unlike Pickens who was the only viable target UGA had after injuries.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:02 pm to CBandits82
quote:and Pickens isnt? Lol
3 first round picks
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:02 pm to atlanta917
Pickens is very good. He's also a bit of a throw back, possession receiver with insane ball skills but not much burn and a lot different than all of these other guys mentioned.
The reason I'd rank Chase #1 is he has a lot of what Pickens has in terms of ball skills and also has a lot of what Marshall and Waddle have in terms of speed/athleticism. Smith is similar. That's why I'd put Chase and Smith above the rest of these guys.
The reason I'd rank Chase #1 is he has a lot of what Pickens has in terms of ball skills and also has a lot of what Marshall and Waddle have in terms of speed/athleticism. Smith is similar. That's why I'd put Chase and Smith above the rest of these guys.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Couldn't we apply that same logic to Marshall?
Maybe. Jefferson lined up in the slot the majority of snaps last year with Chase and Marshall on the outside
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:05 pm to lsufball19
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Maybe. Jefferson lined up in the slot the majority of snaps last year with Chase and Marshall on the outside
Which also brings up whether the "#4 cover guy" is truly covering the 2nd slot guy. That isn't exactly how defensive matchups work in 2020.
Long story short, the presence of 4-5 great weapons running around on pass plays for both Alabama and LSU inevitably made things easier for everyone on the field and stretched opposing defenses thin.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Pickens is very good. He's also a bit of a throw back, possession receiver with insane ball skills but not much burn and a lot different than all of these other guys mentioned.
Agreed on both. Seems the nfl is trending towards smaller receivers. Also, Hard to compare when they have different skill sets. When you compare stats alone you’re assuming the players had the same quality talent around them in terms of QB, o-line, OC, and other receiving threats.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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#12 - Henry Ruggs (#1 WR in draft)
#15 - Jerry Jeudy (#2 WR in draft)
That's a good place to start
People are talking Waddle up in to the conversation with Smith and Chase who I think are going to go higher than Ruggs and Jeudy.
So I don't think that is really na excuse.
It defeintely didn't stop Smith.
Waddle was your 2nd most productive WR in 2018 and your 4th most productive in 2019. ITs not like the coaches didn't know about him
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:08 pm to Solo Cam
quote:How so?
Marshall is better than Pickens.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:09 pm to SammyTiger
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People are talking Waddle up in to the conversation with Smith and Chase who I think are going to go higher than Ruggs and Jeudy.
So I don't think that is really na excuse.
It defeintely didn't stop Smith.
Waddle was your 2nd most productive WR in 2018 and your 4th most productive in 2019. ITs not like the coaches didn't know about him
Well, he was also a year younger. Personally I would not put him in the same category as Smith or Chase, but I also think it's possible he ends up being drafted just as high as Jeudy or Ruggs (and possibly higher than Smith).
I'd have him in that 2nd group with Marshall and Pickens.
1st Tier
- Chase (#1)
- Smith
2nd Tier
- Waddle
- Pickens
- Marshall
3rd Tier
- S. Williams
- Ausbon
4th Tier
- McMath
- Burks
- Grimes
- S. Smith
- Blaylock
- Schwartz
- E. Moore
- Palmer
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:18 pm to atlanta917
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They have completely different skill sets. Comparing them at all is stupid. Also, no one knows the “ceiling” for any of them.
You can kinda guess it off their limitations.
I would use JArvis Landry as an example.
He is a an amazing WR but hes pretty much at his predictable ceiling. He runs a 4.77, and doesn't look like he plays much faster. He can catch anythign and runs great routes and is physical, but he was never going o be a burner.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:20 pm to 3morereps
Bro you ever hear of Terrace Marshall? Wait til you see Trey Palmer, Kayshon Boutte, Racey McMath
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:29 pm to SammyTiger
I agree that you can start to figure out the role they’ll excel in, but different players handle the jump to the nfl differently and I’m assuming that’s being used to determine ceiling. If it’s college stats then there’s just too many variables.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:33 pm to atlanta917
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I agree that you can start to figure out the role they’ll excel in, but different players handle the jump to the nfl differently and I’m assuming that’s being used to determine ceiling. If it’s college stats then there’s just too many variables.
I think youre confused. When people are sayig ceiling they mean max potential
How players transition is important, and not all players reach their ceiling.
Jamarcus Russell HIGH Ceiling. All the tools, he showed he could play the position in college.
No work ethic after his payday, fell miles short of the ceiling. You could say he had a really low floor with a really high ceiling.
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