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re: Vol Football: History doesn't repeat but it rhymes
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:56 am to Scoob
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:56 am to Scoob
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Awhile back, someone on this board said something that made a whole lot of sense, once you considered it- Clemson.
Tennessee and Clemson can not coexist in this current world. They share the same OOS recruiting pool, and Clemson is currently sucking everyone up. Kids in Georgia that don't want to go to UGA, who once went to Tennessee, now go to Clemson. It's little coincidence that as Tennessee declined, Clemson emerged.
That's the key for the Vols. They need to break that connection somehow.
We have been able to get our fair share. Enough to win regularly. What we've lacked is player development. Lots of 4-5 stars rarely improved significantly over their time here under buth/Dooley/Pruitt. I can count on one hand how many 3 star guys made anything of themselves. Development is key and surrounding yourself with good offensive and defensive coaches (not your friends) has been a huge problem. All I can do is hope for helped. If he sucks then were where we've been, if he suproses people recruits will follow. We just need some consistent positivity. Beating uga and alabama minus some auburn voodoo or ole miss circa hugh freeze era nonsense will obviously be a challenge,but it's not like anyone's beat Alabama during sabans time. Most people just have the luxury of not playing them every year. Someone please tell me what uga and uf records are against saban since 2007
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 2:08 am to UTprideofTX
As long as Tennessee is flanked by Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson recruiting well and competing for championships, Tennessee football will never amount to anything again. You just can't recruit head to head with those programs. Kids coming up today only know UT football as mediocre.
Welcome to your new normal. In truth, it's not really that new anymore.
Welcome to your new normal. In truth, it's not really that new anymore.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:30 am to MykTide
quote:Amen to that. frick em.
Karma has been kicking yalls arse for 2 decades now. May it never end.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:35 am to Scoob
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Awhile back, someone on this board said something that made a whole lot of sense, once you considered it- Clemson. Tennessee and Clemson can not coexist in this current world.
Yep, it’s too easy a trip over the mountains to them. As long as Clemson is top tier, Tennessee will struggle. Clemson is where kids go now in this area that use to keep Tennessee floating near the top.
It’s pretty easy to see them to faulter after Dabo and Tennessee getting better than the shitbox they are now. Change is inevitable. Very conceivable for them to get better or worse.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 8:37 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:45 am to Scoob
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Tennessee and Clemson can not coexist in this current world. They share the same OOS recruiting pool, and Clemson is currently sucking everyone up. Kids in Georgia that don't want to go to UGA, who once went to Tennessee, now go to Clemson. It's little coincidence that as Tennessee declined, Clemson emerged.
This is 100% the answer. I'm not saying that a Clemson death penalty would just immediately lead to Tennessee making the CFP every year, both due to the somewhat aberrant nature of Clemson's reign and Tennessee playing in the toughest conference, but the Vols had a habit of recruiting the Upstate and Georgia during the glory days and given the lack of a national advantage (Tennessee was once one of the best at recruiting from any portion of the country but, due to a greater money pool for all P5 teams and national television audiences for all programs, that's out the window) it's clear that UT must wait for a Clemson downturn (and hope that it coincides with a few consecutive "okay" seasons in Knoxville) before they can have the blue chip ratio necessary of any serious SEC contender.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 12:50 pm to VolsUberAlles
quote:I think the 12 team playoff will help Tennessee recover.
it's clear that UT must wait for a Clemson downturn (and hope that it coincides with a few consecutive "okay" seasons in Knoxville) before they can have the blue chip ratio necessary of any serious SEC contender.
I suspect we'll see 3 SEC teams, 2 Big 10 teams, Clemson, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Pac 12 champ, and a Cinderella G5 team every year; that's 10.
That leaves 2 more spots completely open, most likely to choose from the Big 12 and Pac 12 runners up, another SEC team, and another Big 10 team.
That means potentially 4 SEC teams in the mix. And that changes Tennessee's recruiting pitch big-time.
You don't have to concede that you're probably not making the playoffs next year; you can sell the idea that 10-2 with close losses to Alabama and UGA (for example) can get you in, with legitimate chance to win rematches.
That's exactly what the SEC does with baseball.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:13 pm to UTprideofTX
Heupel will morph Tennessee into the Texas Tech of the SEC.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:27 pm to UTprideofTX
Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:35 pm to Scoob
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Awhile back, someone on this board said something that made a whole lot of sense, once you considered it- Clemson.
Kinda but not really. Clemson doesn't exist without Tennessee being down. They benefited directly with Tajh Boyd being told to go away by Kiffin and benefited with other recruits but Clemson didn't break us. (Bryce Petty was in that class and on the line too and obviously didn't wind up at Clemson).
That said, Tennessee can exist whether or not Clemson is up or down. Whatever is going on with Heupel's class and the current NCAA mess aside, recruits never stopped coming even though we've had coaches chase some big ones off or simply not recruit others. We have had such shitty coaching that we've done nothing with the talent we've had on campus. Boyd didn't break us nor did losing Sunshine but they did MAKE Clemson. Our situation is a direct result of bad coaching and mismanagement. Nothing more or less.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:42 pm to UTprideofTX
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Went on to be a blue blood bc that's what blue bloods do.
Blue Ticks, not blue bloods.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 12:26 am to UTprideofTX
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Nashville is growing like crazy and it's not slowing down anytime soon. It's going to be a hotbe
Like crazy with fruitcakes from California and Illinois. Certainly not families packed with athletes...lol
Posted on 7/11/21 at 12:44 am to themicah85
Tennessee’s heyday in the mid to late 90’s featured recruits from over 15 different states. I wanna say the 1998 championship roster had players from over 15 states and tons from Georgia, including Jamal Lewis.
They had players from Arizona, New Jersey, Illinois, California, Oregon, etc…
They had players from Arizona, New Jersey, Illinois, California, Oregon, etc…
Posted on 7/11/21 at 2:11 am to UTprideofTX
I expect Tennessee's history to rhyme in this particular about as well as Porky Pig in a rap battle.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 2:16 am to UTprideofTX
As Spurrier said, “can’t spell Citrus without a UT.”
Posted on 7/11/21 at 2:31 am to VFL1800FPD
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absolutely atrocious AD decision-making
Fat Phil being AD was atrocious, I'd be optimistic if I was a Vol fan. Should be fine eventually
Posted on 7/11/21 at 2:40 am to UTprideofTX
Man I hate Tennessee but even I am starting to feel bad for you guys.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 4:12 am to Paul Allen
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Tennessee’s heyday in the mid to late 90’s featured recruits from over 15 different states. I wanna say the 1998 championship roster had players from over 15 states and tons from Georgia, including Jamal Lewis.
They had players from Arizona, New Jersey, Illinois, California, Oregon, etc…
I don't understand why others can't process this. Recruiting nationally is new to a lot of SEC schools but it's not new to Tennessee. Our recruiting pool, isn't tied to region the same way many other SEC schools are. We've always recruited nationally.
Beyond that, recruiting isn't our issue although the current class and NCAA woes will def. make it look that way. Our problems are the direct result of mismanagement at the highest levels, fractious boosters and their petty schemes, and poor coaching. Throughout our down period we have recruited well enough to have had a very good record, including classes that could've competed with anyone on paper.
I wish our problems were recruiting. Recruiting can be fixed far easier than having idiots at the top and boosters that care more about their own positions and having their names on buildings than actually winning games.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:57 am to Paul Allen
Nothing happens in the nineties without Majors laying the foundation for the run in the eighties.
Tennessee will always and forever recruit nationally because that is their identity.
As it has been said before ad nauseam, the athletic department has been an absolute disaster of incompetence.
The comparison is always Steve Pedersen when he fired Frank Solich at Nebraska but that is stratosphere incompetence. Pedersen literally changed Nebraska’s football identity.
As far as a coaching search goes, this story could have been written for a Tennessee coaching search.
Pederson told boosters he fired Solich because “high profile” candidates were “interested.” Pederson had not even hired a search firm.
Pedersen believed he could poach Steve Spurrier from the Redskins, but he failed to even ask Spurrier if he had any interest prior to firing Solich.
Pederson then tried, again unsuccessfully, to woo Urban Meyer away from Utah.
The futile, disorganized coaching search hit rock bottom when a jet owned by Nebraska donor Howard Hawks sat on a runway in Fayetteville for hours while Houston Nutt used Pederson’s desperate offer to renegotiate his deal with the Hogs.
This finally led to the hiring of Bill Callahan.
On a side note, the booster’s jet sitting idly on a runway is eerily similar to Dollar Store Dave Hart poaching Butch Jones from Colorado.
Tennessee will always and forever recruit nationally because that is their identity.
As it has been said before ad nauseam, the athletic department has been an absolute disaster of incompetence.
The comparison is always Steve Pedersen when he fired Frank Solich at Nebraska but that is stratosphere incompetence. Pedersen literally changed Nebraska’s football identity.
As far as a coaching search goes, this story could have been written for a Tennessee coaching search.
Pederson told boosters he fired Solich because “high profile” candidates were “interested.” Pederson had not even hired a search firm.
Pedersen believed he could poach Steve Spurrier from the Redskins, but he failed to even ask Spurrier if he had any interest prior to firing Solich.
Pederson then tried, again unsuccessfully, to woo Urban Meyer away from Utah.
The futile, disorganized coaching search hit rock bottom when a jet owned by Nebraska donor Howard Hawks sat on a runway in Fayetteville for hours while Houston Nutt used Pederson’s desperate offer to renegotiate his deal with the Hogs.
This finally led to the hiring of Bill Callahan.
On a side note, the booster’s jet sitting idly on a runway is eerily similar to Dollar Store Dave Hart poaching Butch Jones from Colorado.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:57 am to OrangeEmpire
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Tennessee will always and forever recruit nationally because that is their identity.
What SEC team doesn’t recruit nationally?
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:04 am to UTprideofTX
Of the top 23 ranked prospects in the state of Tennessee, 0 are committed to the vols. Only 6 of those 23 are uncommitted. Until you lock down your state recruiting nationally doesn’t matter.
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