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re: Vol assaults AR fans post-game
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:01 pm to MillerLiteTime
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:01 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Why does the athlete on his field of play not have any rights?
Walking on the street isn’t a crime, but assaulting someone on the street is.
This shouldn’t be difficult guys.
Whether you oppose field storming or not, there is no standing defense for this UT player putting hands on anyone in this scenario.
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:03 pm to DawgsLife
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f that player walked into a classroom on Monday morning and some idiot said, "Y'all suck!" the player could not attack the kid, could he? No. It's called self control.
If someone you don't know runs up at you from nowhere, gets inches from your face and screams at you, every court in America would say you have a right to push them away. And that's even if you were just walking down the street. On a field of play with a mob of trespassing people rushing at you, the protections are even more in favor of the athlete.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:03 pm to WonderWartHawg
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And just how in the hell do you propose to stop a few thousand people at once?
Give multiple warnings before and during the game and any students identified on the field will be immediately suspended or expelled.Any fans will have their season ticket privileges revoked and schools will pay a million dollar fine and a 2nd offense will result in a forfeit of the game.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:03 pm to DocHogliday
Actually he assaulted the player. He ran into the player and the player pushed him off. The fan wasn’t supposed to be on the field
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:03 pm to captdalton
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It is amazing that so many here are unable to grasp why it is a bad idea. From that article I linked.
I think most know it is not good for fans to storm the field. But it surprises me that so many argue that a player is within his rights to hit fans.
In this particular incident we are talking about a 320 pound DT who has worked year round for many years to be in shape, running, lifting weights and outweighs the fans by a lot attacking them and possibly injuring them.
Y'all think that is ok?
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:04 pm to DawgsLife
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It ceases to be a field of play once the game ends. It is simply a football field.
You can't be this dumb.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:04 pm to Litigator
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Please specify what part of the Arkansas Criminal Code upon which you are relying that provides this player has a defense to crime. You can’t do so? That’s what I figured. Thanks.
In a situation where fans rush the field at a college football game in Arkansas and make contact with an opposing player, several laws and penalties could be broken. Below is a comprehensive list of all possible laws and penalties that are broken within the state of Arkansas :
1. Criminal Trespass (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-39-203)
• Definition: Entering or remaining unlawfully in or on a property (such as a football field after a game).
• Penalties:
• Class C misdemeanor: Up to 30 days in jail and a fine of up to $500 if there was no intent to cause damage.
• Class B misdemeanor: Up to 90 days in jail and a fine up to $1,000 if the person knowingly enters a restricted area.
2. Battery (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-13-201 to 5-13-203)
• Definition: Battery involves intentionally or recklessly causing physical harm to another person.
• Degrees:
• Third-degree battery (reckless physical contact that causes injury):
• Class A misdemeanor: Up to 1 year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.
• Second-degree battery (if physical harm is intentional or results in significant injury):
• Class D felony: Up to 6 years in prison and a fine up to $10,000.
3. Assault (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-13-204)
• Definition: Threatening or causing a person to fear imminent harm.
• Penalties:
• Third-degree assault:
• Violation: Typically punishable by a fine of up to $500, but if intent to cause serious fear of harm can be shown, penalties could increase depending on the situation.
4. Disorderly Conduct (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-71-207)
• Definition: Engaging in behavior that disrupts public order, such as creating a hazardous or offensive condition.
• Penalties:
• Class C misdemeanor: Up to 30 days in jail and a fine of up to $500.
5. Rioting or Inciting a Riot (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-71-201 & 5-71-202)
• Definition: Participating in or encouraging a group to engage in violent or unlawful behavior, such as a mob rushing a field.
• Penalties:
• Class A misdemeanor (if there is a risk of injury or property damage): Up to 1 year in jail and a fine up to $2,500.
• Class D felony (if serious injury or extensive property damage occurs): Up to 6 years in prison and a fine up to $10,000.
6. Reckless Endangerment (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-13-205)
• Definition: Acting in a way that creates a substantial risk of physical injury to another person.
• Penalties:
• Class A misdemeanor: Up to 1 year in jail and a fine up to $2,500.
7. Public Intoxication (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-71-212)
• Definition: If a fan rushing the field is under the influence of alcohol or drugs to the extent that they pose a danger to themselves or others.
• Penalties:
• Class C misdemeanor: Up to 30 days in jail and a fine of up to $500.
8. Harassment (Ark. Code Ann. § 5-71-208)
• Definition: Engaging in behavior with the intent to harass, annoy, or alarm another person, which could apply if fans are taunting or aggressively approaching players.
• Penalties:
• Class A misdemeanor: Up to 1 year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.
Civil Liability
• The opposing player or their team could also file a civil lawsuit for damages if the fan’s actions result in injury or harm. This could include compensation for medical bills, lost wages, pain and suffering, and other damages.
University or NCAA Sanctions
• Bans or Restrictions: Fans involved in rushing the field could be banned from future games or stadiums.
• Fines or Penalties to the School: The NCAA or conference could impose fines or other penalties on the university for allowing fans to rush the field, which is typically against safety protocols.
In summary, potential penalties in Arkansas for rushing the field and making contact with a player could range from small fines and short jail terms for misdemeanors to more significant prison time and fines if serious injury occurs. Civil liabilities could also arise from the incident.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:04 pm to DawgsLife
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So, if someone stands closer than I like while having a conversation it is ok for me to push them down?
It depends on whether you perceive them as a threat. If someone fears for their safety the law says they can defend themselves.
All the player would have to do is say he felt threatened. In that pandemonium it would be hard to argue what happened beyond a reasonable doubt.
Those that play stupid games win stupid prizes.
They really should stop playing the games in the stands. These fan/player interactions are happening way too often.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:05 pm to MillerLiteTime
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gets inches from your face and screams at you
Where are you seeing that?
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every court in America would say you have a right to push them
Just factually incorrect and advertising ignorance at this point.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:05 pm to DawgsLife
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So, if someone stands closer than I like while having a conversation it is ok for me to push them down?
The fans rushing at him were not "standing", they were running. And I don't think they were having a conversation. Does this really have to be explained?
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:05 pm to DocHogliday
Kick him off the team
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:06 pm to DocHogliday
Tennessee trash.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:07 pm to captdalton
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The fear is a player OR a fan will have a serious injury, and they or their family sue the shite out of everyone involved, and get a sympathetic jury. If that happens, $500,000 may seem like pocket change.
If a school loses a $25 million judgement I bet that school will figure out how to keep the fans off the field.
And the school's that repeatedly allow and even encourage this type of fan behavior will absolutely be liable if/when injuries happen or an injured athlete can't be attended to or if further hurt by fans. Imagine having a torn ACL and trying to get off a field with 25,000 people running at you from the opposite direction.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:09 pm to captdalton
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Under this new policy the third time a school does it and each subsequent time will cost them $500,000. That is not an insignificant amount of money. It will be interesting if they tweek ir or make it harsher in the off season.
I doubt Vanderbilt has an opportunity to go much higher. I mean, that is the purpose of storming the field, right? You beat someone you thought you had no chance to beat?
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The fear is a player OR a fan will have a serious injury, and they or their family sue the shite out of everyone involved, and get a sympathetic jury. If that happens, $500,000 may seem like pocket change.
The the schools should realize thta and pay more for security.
Honestly.....your honest opinion. What can a school do if they want to ensure no students storm the field? I just want your opinion. Your honest opinion. One of the problems is nobody can foresee a huge upset like that happening in advance. Who in their wildest dreams would have thought, Vanderbilt was going to beat Alabama yesterday? Not me.
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If a school loses a $25 million judgement I bet that school will figure out how to keep the fans off the field.
What would be your solution?
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:09 pm to DocHogliday
An Arkansas fan should have taught him a lesson.
Take that garbage back to Tennessee.
Take that garbage back to Tennessee.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:10 pm to CajunVoodoo
Damn can you say owned , man ask to quote Arkansas penal code and hammers him with not just one but most 10 violations lol
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:12 pm to Litigator
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Please specify what part of the Arkansas Criminal Code upon which you are relying that provides this player has a defense to crime. You can’t do so? That’s what I figured. Thanks.
What crime has he been charged with? If a rogue DA actually presses charges here, then we can talk criminal code all day. I promise I know more in that arena than you.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:12 pm to BigDickRick16
You know those videos are from two different incidences, right? In the first one the player has a right to shove the fan, because the fan grabbed his jersey. In the second one it is clear the fan did not touch the player.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:13 pm to CajunVoodoo
Nice AI analysis but not the issue here. Are you a lawyer? Good luck with your justification defense of persons theory in the Washington County courts. I’ve both prosecuted and defended cases in those courts so I would know.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:15 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Aren't the athletes also college kids, being college kids, living their lives?
No. The players are paid. There is a difference. When you are getting paid it changes things. They turn into paid entertainers.
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