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Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:53 pm to Auburn80
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I've got a Vanderbilt Grad working for me. What does that mean?
Probably graduated with a 2.5 GPA.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:55 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Vandy went plaid.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:11 pm to Landmass
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Harvard is not necessarily a top school. It is an elite school. All you have to have is money and a name to get through Harvard.
Great movie that sums this up...
Green Street hooligans
Poor Frodo
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:31 pm to Mandango
The big picture in SEC academics hasn't changed in a few years. Sure, schools move up or down a few spots, but it basically breaks down like this:
A) Vanderbilt is one of the "Southern Ivies" and therefore the default best school in the conference.
B) Florida, Georgia, and Texas A&M are Top 50-ish and among the best public schools in the country.
C) The "mainstream" of the conference consists of the next 8 schools, which are all clustered together around the 100-125 mark.
D) The two Mississippi schools are exceptionally bad.
A) Vanderbilt is one of the "Southern Ivies" and therefore the default best school in the conference.
B) Florida, Georgia, and Texas A&M are Top 50-ish and among the best public schools in the country.
C) The "mainstream" of the conference consists of the next 8 schools, which are all clustered together around the 100-125 mark.
D) The two Mississippi schools are exceptionally bad.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:32 pm to Mandango
List resembles LSU’s OOC schedule.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:36 pm to TxTiger82
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D) The two Mississippi schools are exceptionally bad.
Thank God for State
Posted on 9/12/18 at 5:07 pm to Mandango
Vandy's ranked ahead of Cornell. That's impressive.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 5:25 pm to cyde
I'm a Troy University grad and I work alongside a Cornell grad in an equal capacity. College rankings are largely way overblown.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:13 pm to Landmass
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Harvard is not necessarily a top school. It is an elite school. All you have to have is money and a name to get through Harvard
Some day during the off-season, I'm going to write an essay for the Rant, because you're absolutely right about this with regards to prestigious private universities and college (including my own alma mater) and subtly wrong as well. Reputation can be a self-sustaining bitch of a sociological issue. Which is why I so dislike these sorts of lists because they mean very little in terms of actual educational quality. I'm proud of our reputation but I don't think for a second that it's a completely fair evaluation of our status relative to other SEC schools. Any Vandy grad who tries to lord our ranking over a grad from another SEC school is an ill-informed douche.
Unless it's a UT grad, of course. Illiterate bumpkins.
Edit: not counting Prof, of course. He's a literate bumpkin
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:28 pm to Mandango
Dang, Ole Miss must have been 26...
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:37 pm to Auburn80
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I've got a Vanderbilt Grad working for me. What does that mean?
Means a) you’re a lying sack of shite, or b) you’re older than Moses. Since you’re an Aubie, I’ll go with a. What is it about Aubies that makes such big liars?
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:37 pm to randomways
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Which is why I so dislike these sorts of lists because they mean very little in terms of actual educational quality.
This is a sentence fragment.
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Unless it's a UT grad, of course. Illiterate bumpkins.
Irony at its best. Bravo, Vandy.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:45 pm to Torch
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This is a sentence fragment
Because writing informally and colloquially on a sports message board means something. There's another sentence fragment. You're going to have to do better than that. Bad writers are the only ones who feel constrained by a set of proscriptive (or prescriptive, for that matter) rules when conversing informally. They're certainly the only ones who consider it an intellectual measure.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:59 pm to randomways
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Which is why I so dislike these sorts of lists because they mean very little in terms of actual educational quality.
One reason I like Vanderbilt is their top school is education
As to the difference between schools
Duality of elite schools
Sure one side of them is rich kids with big names that can coast to a degree because mommy and daddy built the library but they have another side that are not just bright but highly motivated. Duke is the classic example of this duality as the second group makes the school excellent as much through student motivation as by ability to have good teachers.
With these schools massive endowments they can now pick by merit as much as the lucky sperm club. Just saddens me as the competition for these slots is coming from India and Asia instead of our own high schools. Kids coming in from out of the country but with high work ethic and drive will move them from the bottom of the socio economic ladder to the middle or top.
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Vandy grad who tries to lord our ranking over a grad from another SEC school is an ill-informed douche.
Not sure I have seen this in real life except a few frat daddy types or slumming folks from the other side of the Ohio Ocean. You do have to admit that just as steel sharpens steel in SEC football, academic steel from top colleges of undergrads sharpens the steel of their fellow classmates. That in the end is what makes them elite over just buildings and their teachers.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:20 pm to Cheese Grits
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Duality of elite schools
Sure one side of them is rich kids with big names that can coast to a degree because mommy and daddy built the library but they have another side that are not just bright but highly motivated. Duke is the classic example of this duality as the second group makes the school excellent as much through student motivation as by ability to have good teachers.
With these schools massive endowments they can now pick by merit as much as the lucky sperm club. Just saddens me as the competition for these slots is coming from India and Asia instead of our own high schools. Kids coming in from out of the country but with high work ethic and drive will move them from the bottom of the socio economic ladder to the middle or top.
Are these your words or are you quoting someone? I would have assumed the former but the bolded title made me wonder. Either way, the point about duality is an important one, and part of what I was thinking about with regards to an essay on the topic. I have a dog in both fights, being a double legacy (though my family's name doesn't appear on a single building at Vandy unless there's some example of drunk graffiti-ing still extant there.
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Not sure I have seen this in real life
I wasn't speaking from specific personal experience there. I just know human nature. People will always try to make themselves feel superior based on name or education or zip code. Most Vandy people I've met outside of the context of the university itself have been low-key and polite. I can't say the same for certain other "prestigious" schools.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:39 pm to randomways
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literate bumpkin
And proud of it.
Yeeeehaaaaaaaaaaw!
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:39 pm to randomways
My words, tho with the damn autocorrect it changes them sometimes.
While I tend to agree, it is why I used Duke for the epicenter of duality. Some very smart and hardworking folks but lots of real rich east coast kids and lots of "pretend" east coast kids trying to keep up with them. Worst case I ever saw was a kid there who told everyday his family owned a bank (back in the days when they did not cross county lines, much less state lines). Drove a high end German car and was a true a-hole frat daddy. Came to find out his mom was a teller in a bank and had worked her arse off to send his sorry butt to a top school.
Same with another kid who's dad was a true bad arse in WWII in the 101st Airborne kicking German arse all over the place. Dad was humble and lived in a modest house after the war (grew pretty awesome tomatoes) and wanted his kid to have the better life. Kid drove a high end car and went the fraternity way while spending his dads modest income. Kid was smart but no work ethic like his old man and never amounted to 2 dead flies.
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Most Vandy people I've met outside of the context of the university itself have been low-key and polite. I can't say the same for certain other "prestigious" schools.
While I tend to agree, it is why I used Duke for the epicenter of duality. Some very smart and hardworking folks but lots of real rich east coast kids and lots of "pretend" east coast kids trying to keep up with them. Worst case I ever saw was a kid there who told everyday his family owned a bank (back in the days when they did not cross county lines, much less state lines). Drove a high end German car and was a true a-hole frat daddy. Came to find out his mom was a teller in a bank and had worked her arse off to send his sorry butt to a top school.
Same with another kid who's dad was a true bad arse in WWII in the 101st Airborne kicking German arse all over the place. Dad was humble and lived in a modest house after the war (grew pretty awesome tomatoes) and wanted his kid to have the better life. Kid drove a high end car and went the fraternity way while spending his dads modest income. Kid was smart but no work ethic like his old man and never amounted to 2 dead flies.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:21 pm to Cheese Grits
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academic steel from top colleges of undergrads sharpens the steel of their fellow classmates.
Except it doesn't work this way --not until later anyway. I've taught both UT undergrads and Harvard undergrads and there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between them. You have incredibly intelligent kids at all schools along with the ones who are either dull or test well.
When steel starts to sharpen steel in an academic context is when you hit grad school. Prior to that, schools are basically getting a handful of brilliant kids, a lump of really smart kids, an even bigger lump of average kids, and a few dumbasses.
The advantage of going to a prestige school as an undergrad has far more to do with the connections you can make there and those are worth every dollar you spend. However, it's not necessarily a better education (that depends a great deal on your major and whether or not you actually work with the faculty that makes it better).
My mentor was a Harvard grad and the best in his field. I encountered him at UT. No one in my field would argue that I didn't get the best education because he taught me there as opposed to at Princeton and Yale (where his classmates at Harvard taught). In fact, those schools opened their doors to me because of him.
Now I will say that during my mentor's day, going to Harvard versus elsewhere mattered a helluva lot more. Information (texts, scrolls, books, objects etc) was far harder to come by and Harvard could possess physical objects/information that just wasn't available elsewhere. PhD's were also far more rare and so intellectual capital could easily be collected at a handful of schools. But things have changed since then.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:02 pm to Prof
I don't know
What did you teach at Harvard?
My cousin taught there and his siblings at other top schools in the area. Only place he would teach was there and certainly would not find him at a state school. Granted, I don't think he taught intro stuff but seems he did both undergrad and grad classes. Smart SoB and self made. Parents died young and he raised his siblings and still rose well above his working class roots.
Very low key but very involved in government and global business. Advised presidents and corporations even tho never being visible enough to be in the history books. I asked him why he taught at Harvard when he had offers elsewhere and he relayed what I relayed to you about the high desire to succeed from most if not all in the classes he taught.
Of course my touchstone was a local TN man who attended MTSU and UT and still won the Nobel Prize, so I do agree that an individual born with drive or learned early enough will have fundamental keys to succeed no matter where they attended college.
What did you teach at Harvard?
My cousin taught there and his siblings at other top schools in the area. Only place he would teach was there and certainly would not find him at a state school. Granted, I don't think he taught intro stuff but seems he did both undergrad and grad classes. Smart SoB and self made. Parents died young and he raised his siblings and still rose well above his working class roots.
Very low key but very involved in government and global business. Advised presidents and corporations even tho never being visible enough to be in the history books. I asked him why he taught at Harvard when he had offers elsewhere and he relayed what I relayed to you about the high desire to succeed from most if not all in the classes he taught.
Of course my touchstone was a local TN man who attended MTSU and UT and still won the Nobel Prize, so I do agree that an individual born with drive or learned early enough will have fundamental keys to succeed no matter where they attended college.
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