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Posted on 9/13/21 at 12:08 pm to JetDawg
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Rankings all vary from one compiler to another...Princeton Review and Carnegie Mellon Institute rankings are more highly regarded than USN&WR and Forbes, but all of them are just merely a guide and not scientific. They also change from year to year. Also, there's little difference in the academic quality of schools ranked in the top 20, per experts who compile these things. USN&WR Top 20 Public Universities for 2022 1. UCLA 2. U of California-Berkeley 3. U of Michigan 4. U of Virginia 5. U of California-Santa Barbara 5. U of Florida 5. U of North Carolina 8. U of California-San Diego 9. U of California-Irvine 10. Georgia Tech 10. U of California-Davis 10. U of Texas-Austin 10. William & Mary 14. U of Wisconsin 15. U of Illinois 16. U of Georgia 17. Ohio State 17. Purdue 19. Florida State 20. U of Maryland 20. U of Pittsburgh 20. U of Washington Other SEC schools... 26. Texas A&M 42. Auburn U 46. U of Tennessee 54. U of South Carolina 58. U of Missouri 61. U of Kentucky 61. U of Oklahoma 67. U of Alabama 67. U of Mississippi 78. U of Arkansas 85. Louisiana State U 99. Mississippi State U
The most important thing about these rankings is they are done by a For Profit entity. They gear the rankings to favor small private schools or schools that spend a lot of money advertising with them. For instance emphasis on class size or graduation rates. Those are easy to manipulate. I know Baylor would pay current students to re-take their SAT to boost their scores for instance. The private schools especially need the US News rankings to praise them so they can get people to pay 4x the cost for what is often a lesser education (I'm not talking about schools like Vandy but all of the 2nd and 3rd Tier private schools that are more concerned about tuition dollars than education because they have to).
They put no value at all in the things that actually matter. Average salary for grads and job placement. Research spending. AAU Membership. Endowment size. Those are the things that are very hard to manipulate and take decades to build.
It's why it is a joke to look at stuff like this unless you are comparing schools. The most important measure should be how that school is in the field of study you want as well.
A&M did fair at 68 but when you look and see SMU tied with A&M, no sane person would look at SMU and think it is a comparable education outside of the Theology school and maybe the MBA but Mays is a stronger MBA program as well. SMU is over $60k per year, A&M is $13k in state. It's a joke though when you look at average salaries for A&M grads, Endowment, AAU status, and Research spend. The opportunities at a school like A&M blow away a small private school for rich kids where you get to have 15 kids in your History class as you major in Poetry.
As a recruiter I will take the large public school kid almost every time over the private school kid. Private schools coddle you, publics do not. The real world isn't much into coddling.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 12:09 pm to MadQfrog
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UK 127
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Bama 148
Ole Miss 148
Arkansas 162
LSU 172
Miss St 196
Ooooof
They must be bad
Posted on 9/13/21 at 12:11 pm to MadQfrog
Posted on 9/13/21 at 12:18 pm to Bama Bird
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Graduating from UC Irvine will impress exactly 0 people in Birmingham but graduating from UA will
It's about opening doors. Impress is less important than "Gain-Favor".
A degree from Bama, UF, Ole Miss, etc will open more doors in Birmingham, Atl, Nashville than all except the top half of the Ivy League
Posted on 9/13/21 at 12:29 pm to Irons Puppet
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Read that UA was going to try and reduce OOS enrollment and still maintain overall numbers. The State just doesn't produce numbers of quality students for that to happen. Besides Auburn, UAH and UAB have upped their game the last 10 years.
Yes and no. Yes we are reducing the OOS enrollment and increasing the in-state; however, we are trying to reduce the number of undergraduate enrollment and increase the graduate school/Phd numbers.
It's amazing how poor this state is in educating K-12 but punch above our weight class when it comes to quality colleges
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:03 pm to Irons Puppet
For perspective on OOS students, A&M has 94% of students from the State of Texas out of 65k students. That's honestly a ridiculously high number and not ideal but it is just the state produces so many highly qualified HS students and they get first dibs (as they should). Texas has 268 6A High Schools alone, those are schools with a minimum of 2200 students (a few are pushing 5k with Allen being the largest).
Going to my son's college fair at his HS it looked like a big SEC Party btw, virtually every SEC school was there and throwing around scholarship money for Texas kids wanting to go there OOS. They have sliding scales they show you that if your GPA and SAT are X you pay Y. A&M and Texas don't have to put any effort in at all for recruiting, they have droves and droves of applicants and can just pick and choose.
Going to my son's college fair at his HS it looked like a big SEC Party btw, virtually every SEC school was there and throwing around scholarship money for Texas kids wanting to go there OOS. They have sliding scales they show you that if your GPA and SAT are X you pay Y. A&M and Texas don't have to put any effort in at all for recruiting, they have droves and droves of applicants and can just pick and choose.
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:03 pm to MadQfrog
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NYU at rank #28.
That says it all about these rankings
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:07 pm to MadQfrog
UT top 10 pubic school
Top 10 in Computer Science, Engineering, and Information sciences
Top 5 in business
noice.
Top 10 in Computer Science, Engineering, and Information sciences
Top 5 in business
noice.
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:14 pm to aggressor
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Going to my son's college fair at his HS it looked like a big SEC Party btw, virtually every SEC school was there and throwing around scholarship money for Texas kids wanting to go there OOS.
Auburn attracts a lot of Texas kids nowadays (new incoming Freshmen number for OOS is very comparable to Florida and behind Georgia, obviously).
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:17 pm to JetDawg
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19. Florida State
Florida State ranks at 19? That’s way too high.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:19 pm to boogiewoogie1978
You have no clue about NYU.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:25 pm to AUreo
FSU in the top 20 is all you need to know about the rankings being garbage. Anyone who has worked in the academic side of a major university will laugh at that ranking. They are lightyears away from being a major academic university. They don't have the funding, the programs, the research, the faculty, the Foundation or endowment, and are not even considered in the top 50 of AAU prospects. Nearly their entire patent profile is for one drug therapy for cancer but they get a high score for that because of the dollars it generates. Details are important.
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:29 pm to pankReb
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FlagshipU
Congrats on being the flagship in the state ranked 50th for education
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:30 pm to AUreo
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Auburn attracts a lot of Texas kids nowadays (new incoming Freshmen number for OOS is very comparable to Florida and behind Georgia, obviously).
While we get a lot from TX, its no where near GA and UF. We get more from China, than TX
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:33 pm to bigDgator
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waste of money.
Depends on what the student gets his degree in.
Paying for school to get an engineering degree really pays itself off- just about every STEM degree is worth it.
Most business majors are iffy. The expectation now is you need a Master's or even a PhD if you want to compete. Business majors with a Bachelor's only aren't going very far.
Many other degrees are a total waste of time and money UNLESS the student is set on teaching and/or research.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:37 pm to starkvingrad
yeah, most liberal arts degrees get you nowhere in life and are just not worth the money in the long run.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 2:18 pm to NYCAuburn
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While we get a lot from TX, its no where near GA and UF. We get more from China, than TX
True. I am simply comparing incoming FR attending Auburn (number of new incoming students coming from Texas and Florida are comparable). I don’t know the numbers for UGA and UF.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 2:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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You have no clue about NYU.
What’s wrong with NYU?
Posted on 9/13/21 at 2:25 pm to MadQfrog
I never understood why Emory university is right so high. They basically cheated for years and years on their admissions scores to improve their “ranking” And after they got busted, no one ever said a damn thing about it again.
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