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re: Undefeated national champions vs. one/two loss national champions
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:10 pm to FourThreeForty
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:10 pm to FourThreeForty
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People only remember how much NFL talent Miami had and forget how weak the schedule was that year.
And they never trailed at any point during the entire season. Not even for a single second.
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:13 pm to Feral
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They probably were better than 06 UF. Certainly not 12 Alabama though.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:13 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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No Nevraska? Lol gtfo.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:14 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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No Nevraska? Lol gtfo.
"Let's rank the BCS Champions:"
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:22 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Let's rank the BCS Champions:
1 - 2001 Miami
2 - 2011 Alabama
3 - 2003 LSU
4 - 1999 Florida State
5 - 2009 Alabama
Three out of the top 5 are Nick Saban teams.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:27 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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The fact is LSU had 2 losses. They are at the bottom of the list.
I gather you don't agree with the point of the original post.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:31 pm to FourThreeForty
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People only remember how much NFL talent Miami had and forget how weak the schedule was that year.
People probably don't remember how weak the schedule was because it was one of the top 5 toughest schedules of the BCS champs.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:33 pm to TeLeFaWx
Point? 2008 Florida would've beat them 45-3. There was no beating 2008 Florida after the Ole Miss game. 2008 Oklahoma had the most prolific offense in history at the time and only scored 14 points on them.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:42 pm to FourThreeForty
And Ole Miss finished #14 after clowning Texas Tech in the Cotton. They would've won it all with a better hc.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:54 pm to RollTide1987
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When arguing over which national championship team was better you tend to see people claim that if they didn't finish the season undefeated they shouldn't be in the discussion. I have never really subscribed to this line of thinking because not every season is like the other.
Only simple minded morons would take a dogmatic stance that a team being undefeated necessarily indicates that they are better than a team with a loss. However, that description seems to fit quite a bit of message board posters.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 6:01 pm to RollTide1987
1. Auburn 2004
2. Auburn 2010
3. Auburn 1993
4. Auburn 1983
The rest of you saps can try and compete for number 5-who gives a shite
2. Auburn 2010
3. Auburn 1993
4. Auburn 1983
The rest of you saps can try and compete for number 5-who gives a shite
Posted on 4/30/15 at 7:11 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Let's rank the BCS Champions:
No, let's rank the College Football Playoff Champions.
1 - 2014 Ohio State
Posted on 4/30/15 at 7:48 pm to TeLeFaWx
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And they never trailed at any point during the entire season. Not even for a single second.
They were a great team. No lie. But I don't think they were as dominant as some other teams in the past.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 7:59 pm to FourThreeForty
Miami would have demolished any of Saban's Alabama teams. Furthermore, they are the best team to ever play. (.)
Posted on 4/30/15 at 8:07 pm to NFLU
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Miami would have demolished any of Saban's Alabama teams. Furthermore, they are the best team to ever play. (.)
Beaten? Maybe. Demolished? Nah.
They beat Virginia Tech (8-4) by a score of 26-24, and they beat Boston College (8-4) 18-7.
You think one of the greatest teams of all time couldn't give them a run for their money?
Posted on 4/30/15 at 8:08 pm to RollTide1987
The AP poll champ has a loss about 50% of the time historically.
Going undefeated vs. not is often times a matter of schedule or luck.
So it's not a surprise that many of your 1 loss national champions are superior teams.
Alabama '11 and '12 were both way better teams than 09 for example.
Going undefeated vs. not is often times a matter of schedule or luck.
So it's not a surprise that many of your 1 loss national champions are superior teams.
Alabama '11 and '12 were both way better teams than 09 for example.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 8:10 pm to FourThreeForty
Hiw much talent they had is kind of the point
Posted on 4/30/15 at 8:12 pm to RollTide1987
They are easily one of the 5 greatest teams of all time
Posted on 4/30/15 at 8:28 pm to WestCoastAg
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Hiw much talent they had is kind of the point
People remember that talent and it skews the reality of their level of dominance and believe they were untouchable.
While they were certainly dominant, they were almost beaten by an 8-4 Virginia Tech team, and didn't break 20 points against 8-4 Boston College on their way to an extremely underwhelming victory.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 8:35 pm to RollTide1987
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1978 Alabama Football Team
20-3 win vs. #10 Nebraska (9-3)
38-20 win @ #11 Missouri (8-4)
14-24 loss vs. #7 USC (12-1)
51-28 win vs. Vanderbilt (2-9)
20-17 win @ Washington (7-4)
23-12 win vs. Florida (4-7)
30-17 win @ Tennessee (5-5-1)
35-0 win vs. Virginia Tech (4-7)
35-14 win vs. Mississippi State (6-5)
31-10 win vs. #10 LSU (8-4)
34-16 win vs. Auburn (6-4-1)
14-7 win vs. #1 Penn State (11-1)
1979 Alabama Football Team
30-6 win @ Georgia Tech (4-6-1)
45-0 win vs. Baylor (8-4)
66-3 win @ Vanderbilt (1-10)
38-0 win vs. Wichita State (1-10)
40-0 win @ Florida (0-10-1)
27-17 win vs. #18 Tennessee (7-5)
31-7 win vs. Virginia Tech (5-6)
24-7 win vs. Mississippi State (3-8)
3-0 win @ LSU (7-5)
25-18 win vs. #14 Auburn (8-3)
24-9 win vs. #6 Arkansas (10-2)
Only 3 of Alabama's opponents finished below .500 in 1978 as opposed to 6 in 1979. 4 of those had 8 or more losses in '79 while only 1 team on Alabama's schedule had 8 or more losses in 1978. The '78 Tide also traveled out of conference to play games in Missouri and Washington, both teams that finished with winning records. Alabama's only trip out of conference in '79 was a trip to play eventual 4-6-1 Georgia Tech in nearby Atlanta.
While it is obvious that 1979 Alabama had the better season, finishing their campaign undefeated with no ties to speak of, which was the better TEAM?
it seems remarkable in retrospect how few outstanding teams they played in conference.
you can't compare teams from different years objectively. FWIW there were some stinkers on that 79 schedule (three teams with 0 or 1 wins) so I wouldn't rush to conclude the 78 schedule was definitively stronger anyway.
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