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re: UGA IS on paper the best job in America except for the Atlanta factor. Built in gang type
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:09 pm to TideHyde
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:09 pm to TideHyde
Oh I agree with what you’re saying about gang elements. I have coached in schools with heavy gang element and in schools without that problem. You’re correct. I am just trying to figure out what he wants
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Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:14 pm to Icoachfb
Those Atlanta boys will mug your arse. That's why they are in such demand.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:16 pm to jimdog
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Explain 20 natty's for schools in small states and Florida with multiple schools to ZERO for the best job in America. Atlanta next door is all I can figure. 20 to none is like rolling the dice for the highest number 20 times and spotting the other guy a number advantage and beating him all 20. There is a reason. And based upon UGA's issues and Bama's with Georgia recruits I'm throwing that out there. Nobody other poster has even hinted at a reason.
I agree with you. Which players would get along better with each other, play better as team players, be able to bond more easily and not just imagine a false sense of street tough bravado will propel them to the top:
A group of men from Atlanta
or
A group of men from rural areas less affected by the charm and lure of criminally influenced behavior patterns?
For instance, would a coach rather have a 5 star running back from Atlanta or a 5 star running back from DirtRoadCountryTown, Georgia, with all physical attributes and talent equal?
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:16 pm to jimdog
So you are saying UGA has not had success of other schools because Atlanta is close to Athens and kids from the Metro are more likely to be problems?
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:18 pm to Icoachfb
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So you are saying UGA has not had success of other schools because Atlanta is close to Athens and kids from the Metro are more likely to be problems?
Part of Georgia's problem
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:24 pm to Icoachfb
I've said what I've said. What do you say about 20 to zero for the best job in America? So far you've said nothing. I'm all ears.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:36 pm to jimdog
I am not arguing with you. I think you may have some valid points. Got to be careful with who you sign.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 11:11 pm to TideHyde
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For instance, would a coach rather have a 5 star running back from Atlanta or a 5 star running back from DirtRoadCountryTown, Georgia, with all physical attributes and talent equal?
Isaiah Crowell, non-Atlanta 5 star RB really proves this out
Posted on 5/9/19 at 11:29 pm to jimdog
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UGA IS on paper the best job in America except for the Atlanta factor. Built in gang activity and attitudes and that happens to be where a huge part of their recruiting is done. So the program is always in somewhat of an unpredictable state. To a lesser degree LSU and UF are somewhat hurt by the same factors on a smaller scale.
Shouldn't BYU be dominating then?
This post was edited on 5/9/19 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:12 am to jimdog
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OK. You wanna hear the truth? Here it is. UGA was just named the top coaching job in America by Athlon who talks to major college football coaches. This does not come out of a vacuum. Even Nick Saban said it "should be" the best job in America a couple or three years ago. Why is that?
Here's why. (1) BLACK athletes are dominating big time college football. And will continue to do so. (2) Georgia has the biggest black population of any state in the union. (3) Georgia is a football mad state at the HS level. Just tremendous. So Georgia has the most big time black football players by far of any state. The best of the best. (4) Georgia has ZERO instate competition for those big time players. No school since modern recruiting records have been kept has had a year like UGA had in 2017-18. They have by far the most 5 star players on any roster in the SEC and this just didn't start to happen.
Yet These SEC schools and ACC schools in states that touch Georgia have won natty's since Georgia's 1980 (I believe) title. Tennessee, Auburn, FSU (multiple years), Clemson (multiple years), UF (multiple years), Alabama (multiple years) and Miami (multiple years). If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that's close to 20 or so national titles by adjoining states to 0 for the best job in America. WHY? Donnan was a winner before he went there. Goff learned under Dooley. Richt was mentored by Bowden, one of the greatest of all time and started off like a house on fire. And Smart who s the closest thing to Saban out there. So it's not coaching. It doesn't take Nick Saban to win a title. Gus, Fat Phil, Stallings, Jimbo, and a couple of yo yo's @ Miami as well as Danny Ford have all won titles.
But one thing other than everybody around them in small states (except Florida and all three schools there have won and they cut each other's throats for recruits) winning titles is all the Georgia coaches have suffered attrition and discipline issues. I'm guessing it's the proximity to ATL. UGA has had off season adventures forever and some in season. Give me a better rationale. 20 to zero says I'm right.
I'm still waiting for someone to legitimately refute this post. It's interesting how all the posters jumped this thread initially, then crawled back in their holes when the OP explained it with facts. I think I'll just continue to occasionally peek in on this thread to see if anybody's come up with an honest argument.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:53 am to coachcrisp
2016 class which has now been on campus for at least 3 yeara
2016 P5 Signees from Metro Atlanta
1. Derrick Brown (AU) (not arrested)
2. Antwuan Jackson (AU/OSU) (not arrested)
3. Nigel Warrior (TN) (not arrested)
4. Tre Lamar (Clemson) (not arrested)
5. Julian Rochester (UGA) (arrested for a BB gun)
6. EJ Price (Southern Cal) (not arrested)
7. Josh Imatorbhebhe (Southern Cal) (not arrested)
8. Elijah Holyfield (UGA) (not arrested)
9. Zerrick Cooper (Clemson) (not arrested)
10. Jordan Smith (Florida) (charged credit card fraud)
11. Brodadious Hamm (AU) (not arrested)
12. Marlon Character (AU) (not arrested)
So 2 of the top 12, 1 of which was for shooting a BB gun and the other was for credit card fraud.
Wow, that is some terrifying gang shite right there!
2016 P5 Signees from Mississippi
1. Jeffery Simmons (MSU) (arrested for assault)
Oh, well, shite.
2016 P5 Signees from Metro Atlanta
1. Derrick Brown (AU) (not arrested)
2. Antwuan Jackson (AU/OSU) (not arrested)
3. Nigel Warrior (TN) (not arrested)
4. Tre Lamar (Clemson) (not arrested)
5. Julian Rochester (UGA) (arrested for a BB gun)
6. EJ Price (Southern Cal) (not arrested)
7. Josh Imatorbhebhe (Southern Cal) (not arrested)
8. Elijah Holyfield (UGA) (not arrested)
9. Zerrick Cooper (Clemson) (not arrested)
10. Jordan Smith (Florida) (charged credit card fraud)
11. Brodadious Hamm (AU) (not arrested)
12. Marlon Character (AU) (not arrested)
So 2 of the top 12, 1 of which was for shooting a BB gun and the other was for credit card fraud.
Wow, that is some terrifying gang shite right there!
2016 P5 Signees from Mississippi
1. Jeffery Simmons (MSU) (arrested for assault)
Oh, well, shite.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:03 am to KellerChrystFan
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I would too.
As an Atlanta resident, we're voting against expansion to keep Gwinnett out
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:08 am to jimdog
Name the SEC schools that don’t recruit Atlanta. I’ll hang up and listen.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:22 am to Pettifogger
I wish MARTA would focus more on expanding the existing ITP rails rather than trying to branch out into Gwinnett.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:53 am to WG_Dawg
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I wish MARTA would focus more on expanding the existing ITP rails rather than trying to branch out into Gwinnett.
Yep
Give me Cumberland/SunTrust and 285 loop
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:29 am to coachcrisp
I agree with what OP is saying about not wanting kids that may have character issues but I don’t agree with stereotyping kids from Atlanta into all being bad kids. My answer to OP concerns about Georgia having problems with kids from Atlanta is maybe they should do a better job of vetting players before they sign them.
I played at Carson Newman College in the mid 80’s and we won a three NAIA National Championships. We had several kids who had been thrown out of D1 schools for various reasons. They came in with two strikes. So I understand choir boys don’t always win games and I’m all about second chances.
With that said if you are coaching at Georgia or Bama or Clemson etc.. it’s easy to pass on a kid for another kid who you think has better character. I can only speak for Clemson but they have passed on kids and they have been burnt by kids. I don’t think any school is immune to a 18-22 year old getting in some trouble. I think the key is to know as much about a kid as you can and then decide on if he is the right guy. Might lose a five star and end up with a four star but sometimes in the long run you’ll be better off. Tom Lungbill may not say so but who cares what some guy who was a failed Arena League coach says.
I played at Carson Newman College in the mid 80’s and we won a three NAIA National Championships. We had several kids who had been thrown out of D1 schools for various reasons. They came in with two strikes. So I understand choir boys don’t always win games and I’m all about second chances.
With that said if you are coaching at Georgia or Bama or Clemson etc.. it’s easy to pass on a kid for another kid who you think has better character. I can only speak for Clemson but they have passed on kids and they have been burnt by kids. I don’t think any school is immune to a 18-22 year old getting in some trouble. I think the key is to know as much about a kid as you can and then decide on if he is the right guy. Might lose a five star and end up with a four star but sometimes in the long run you’ll be better off. Tom Lungbill may not say so but who cares what some guy who was a failed Arena League coach says.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:30 am to BhamBlazeDog
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jimdog
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:37 am to jimdog
Auburn is by far. Pull off 1 great season, get huge buyout, get fired, get rich, then become the wealthiest coach in the history of high school football. Just hoping that all happens to Gus
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Isaiah Crowell, non-Atlanta 5 star RB really proves this out
Same hometown as Jasper Sanks
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:44 am to jimdog
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UGA IS on paper the best job in America because of the Atlanta factor.
FIFY
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