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re: UGA fans have false sense of identity
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:21 pm to AUFANATL
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:21 pm to AUFANATL
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Georgia is similar to LSU in my opinion.
Not even close.
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Both schools sit in states loaded with talent where they are head honcho.
1 - Louisiana is a LOT smaller in terms of population. Georgia produces the second most D1 recruits other than Florida in the entire region.
2 - Georgia has to fight off Georgia Tech and Auburn...and increasingly Alabama.
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Both schools did well but effectively underperformed somewhat from 1950-2000.
Are you f'in kidding me? Do you know anything about CFB history whatsoever?
LSU won the title in 1958 and was clearly one of the best three teams in the league in the late 1950s and early 1960s (along with Ole Miss and Bama).
LSU was for sure the best team in the league from the period 1969-1971.
Georgia, for their part, won a national title in 1980 with probably the greatest freshman running back ever to play (Herschel Walker). They were pretty badass for the next four years, too.
They also had the best team in the country in 1968.
The only time either of these teams hit a slump was in the 1990s. They have that in common. Nothing else. There was no slump from the 1950s through the 1980s. None.
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Both schools have fanbases that seem to think the past decade is "the norm"
I have clearly illustrated how you know very little about CFB history, so stop pretending like you know something.
The truth is that the 1990s were an anomoly, when the Florida schools started absolutely dominating the scene.
Auburn only managed to avoid a slump because....surprise...Auburn was cheating. At least they got banned from the post-season, though.
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 12:31 pm
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:30 pm to TxTiger82
SEC championships from 1950 to 2000:
LSU - 5
Georgia - 6
Auburn - 5
LSU - 5
Georgia - 6
Auburn - 5
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:52 pm to TxTiger82
The fact remains that between 1950-2000, LSU ranked 25th in winning percentage
That's a 50 year time frame. No small window there.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:53 pm to AUFANATL
Given the wasteland that was the end of the 80s and the 90s... it's pretty fricking amazing LSU remained in the top 25
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:55 pm to AUFANATL
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The fact remains that between 1950-2000, LSU ranked 25th in winning percentage
In the country? That is pretty good. What is Auburn's winning percentage over that time frame?
How many national titles did each school have? (Answer: 1).
How many SEC titles? (Answer: 5).
Also....when you consider that Auburn was cheating during their best two seasons between 1960 and 2000 (1983 and 1993), you start to get an idea of the real picture....
Auburn is only good when they cheat. The exceptions are 2004 and 1957.
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:56 pm to TxTiger82
But the point is this: to say that LSU was in a slump between 1950 and 2000 is just ignorant.
LSU clearly went through periods during that timeframe when it was the elite team in the conference.
Same with Georgia.
LSU clearly went through periods during that timeframe when it was the elite team in the conference.
Same with Georgia.
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:05 pm to AUFANATL
quote:That's because LSU only had 3 winning seasons from 1989 to 1999. That was 8 losing seasons out of 11. Check out LSU's winning percentage form 1950 to 1990 and then from 2000 to 2010 and you will find that without that horrible decade, LSU would be a top 10 all time program with ease. As it is now, we rank 12th in all time wins and 13th in winning percentage for our history that included a decade of losing seasons.
The fact remains that between 1950-2000, LSU ranked 25th in winning percentage
That's a 50 year time frame. No small window there.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:14 pm to XbengalTiger
Exactly. And this time frame directly coincides with two phenomena that hadn't occurred before and haven't occurred since:
1) LSU struggling to find the right coach for the new age. The era of coaching deans like Bear Bryant and Charlie Mac was over. LSU's struggles to find its new coach for the modern era started in the 1980s. We thought we had found one in Bill Arnsparger, but he bolted to become the AD at Florida. Our biggest mistake at that point was hiring Arnsparger's DC, Mike Archer, as HC. Archer won for a couple of years with Arnsparger's players (a lot of thanks owed to a young QB named Tommy Hodson). But Archer was too much of a player's coach, and he couldn't keep up the "fence" around Louisiana. This started our decline into football hell....making bad hire after bad hire and not keeping the talent in state....which leads me to point #2.
2) Most of the best talent went out of state in the 1990s. Most went to one of the three Florida schools. Warrick Dunn went to FSU. Ed Reed to Miami. The Hilliards went to Florida. That sucked. One of Saban's great victories was resurrecting the fence.
Now, I fear the fence is being dismantled again. But we LSU fans must understand that the recruiting environment is changing with the proliferation of games on TV, and also with the diffusion of mobile technology that allows coaches and players to keep in close contact at all times.
That is another topic, though.
1) LSU struggling to find the right coach for the new age. The era of coaching deans like Bear Bryant and Charlie Mac was over. LSU's struggles to find its new coach for the modern era started in the 1980s. We thought we had found one in Bill Arnsparger, but he bolted to become the AD at Florida. Our biggest mistake at that point was hiring Arnsparger's DC, Mike Archer, as HC. Archer won for a couple of years with Arnsparger's players (a lot of thanks owed to a young QB named Tommy Hodson). But Archer was too much of a player's coach, and he couldn't keep up the "fence" around Louisiana. This started our decline into football hell....making bad hire after bad hire and not keeping the talent in state....which leads me to point #2.
2) Most of the best talent went out of state in the 1990s. Most went to one of the three Florida schools. Warrick Dunn went to FSU. Ed Reed to Miami. The Hilliards went to Florida. That sucked. One of Saban's great victories was resurrecting the fence.
Now, I fear the fence is being dismantled again. But we LSU fans must understand that the recruiting environment is changing with the proliferation of games on TV, and also with the diffusion of mobile technology that allows coaches and players to keep in close contact at all times.
That is another topic, though.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:18 pm to SteelersFan
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Perhaps you feel this way but other fans do not.
I didnt say that was my ideal situation. Just saying that there are times that the frustration level makes it easy to justify such a hire. I would prefer a more sane approach, but not at the expense of wins and losses.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:25 pm to TxTiger82
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Auburn is only good when they cheat. The exceptions are 2004 and 1957.
Then there aren't any exceptions. Auburn was on probation in 1957, and Bobby Lowder was (and still is) at Auburn in 2004.
Auburn didn't just start cheating. They've never stopped.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:26 pm to TxTiger82
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In the country? That is pretty good. What is Auburn's winning percentage over that time frame?
Winning % 1950-2000
Auburn 13th, LSU 25th
Total wins 1950-2000
Auburn 14th, LSU 22nd
Posted on 1/6/11 at 5:07 am to buckfama8
The decision to pull Zack Witchett's scholarship a month before Signing Day is another recruiting blunder by UGA. This is an example of why UGA has problems maintaining good relationships with coaches in their own state. This decision really should have been made months ago.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 5:44 am to SteelersFan
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This decision really should have been made months ago.
More than likely just now feeling comfortable enough they will get someone to replace him on NSD.
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