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re: Tuberville says Harsin needs more time
Posted on 9/23/22 at 8:45 am to paperwasp
Posted on 9/23/22 at 8:45 am to paperwasp
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Is this really a Harsin thing, or is there something behind the scenes that's affecting his ability to recruit?
There was an article put out a couple days ago where someone went and interviewed AL HS football coaches anonymously and all but one said that they had never met Bryan Harsin. I contrast one coach said that Saban stops in at least once a year even if he isn't recruiting one of his kids.
It's unacceptable for AL HS football coaches at decent HS programs to NOT know the coach at Auburn.
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 8:59 am to Keith101
If you're bringing in "your players" maybe there's some merit to that. When you're bringing in the scraps leftover after about 20 others teams have picked through who they want, you're (the program) just digging a deeper hole.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:00 am to paperwasp
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how well did he do it at Boise?
I tried to look this up and forgot he was actually at Texas in 2011-12, which may be more comparable here.
In 2011, Texas had the No. 3 class, but Harsin wasn't ranked among the top 200 assistants (he had one four-star recruit).
The results for 2012 are missing from the 247 site, but I think he would've been ranked here, because he had three commits — two four-stars and one three-star to Texas.
In 2013, he was head coach at Arkansas State and was listed as the #174 recruiter, with 3 commits (but again, this is Arkansas State).
In 2014, he was at Boise State, and wasn't ranked among the top 200 assistants. The highest Boise assistant was ranked #73.
Jumping ahead, he really doesn't show up anymore on the list, so I'm assuming his M.O. is just leaving it up to his assistants?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:02 am to paperwasp
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Jumping ahead, he really doesn't show up anymore on the list, so I'm assuming his M.O. is just leaving it up to his assistants?
Listening to Alabama HS coaches, that appears to be the case.
That's not gonna fly recruiting against the guys currently in the SEC.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:03 am to paperwasp
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Harsin's lack of recruiting is baffling to me.
Is this really a Harsin thing, or is there something behind the scenes that's affecting his ability to recruit?
I realize it's a totally different animal, but how well did he do it at Boise?
We don't take kind to his kind round these parts.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:05 am to paperwasp
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Is this really a Harsin thing, or is there something behind the scenes that's affecting his ability to recruit?
Not sure how someone behind the scenes could prevent him from even reaching out to high school coaches in Alabama to introduce himself by what is now his 3rd recruiting cycle. If the high school coaches in your own state have never met or even spoken to the HC at AU, that's a problem on his end.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:05 am to themicah85
quote:The fans were fricking blindsided. Harsin wasn't on the radar, not even Iron's Puppet's list.
I dont even understand how the guy managed to get hired. He was fighting a losing battle from the beginning. Do yall not have a twitter lynch mob to cancel these hires and fire the AD when these kind of things happen?
Greene/Gouge came out of nowhere and the deal was done when AU announced Harsin as HC.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:06 am to SRV
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I’ve wondered if the people that don’t want him are so twisted that they would actively undermine his recruiting ($$$$) just to get rid of him.
No scenario is too implausible for that behind-the-curtain wacko bunch that runs Auburn athletics. For those who weren’t around or have forgotten, in 2003, President Walker, AD David Housel and moneyman Bobby Lowder made a secret midnight flight to Kentucky to interview Bobby Petrino two days before the Iron Bowl (which Tuberville won against a terrible 4-7 Bama team, saving his job).
Tuberville and Auburn would go undefeated in 2004 and beat Bama six times in a row before losing the Iron Bowl 36-0 in 2008, leading to 5-19 Gene Chizik’s hiring, who won a national championship with Cam Newton in 2010. Two years later, Chizik lost to Bama 49-0 and Gus was hired, who in his first year would make a run to the national championship game vs FSU and Jimbo.
If your head is spinning trying to keep up, get used to it. That’s Auburn football.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 9:17 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:06 am to paperwasp
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I realize it's a totally different animal, but how well did he do it at Boise?
Apparently not well enough that his name would be mentioned for a single job that has come open between 2014 and when Auburn came calling. Was that not a red flag to anyone at Auburn? Plenty of jobs bigger than Boise didn’t even give him a look, and Auburn acted like I do in my fantasy football draft thinking I found a WR1 everyone else missed in the 15th round.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:07 am to RT1941
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not even Iron's Puppet's list
I mean, that should've been a huge red flag right there.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:08 am to Keith101
Every new coach that is following a failed coach turns the roster around immediately. He runs off the deadwood and he improves the roster from day one. Some do it slower than others, but it is still in a positive direction. Don't know if that can be said for Harsin after two seasons.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:09 am to Keith101
"He just needs to be supported by the fans from Auburn and give him the opportunity to show what he can do."
And if they don't support him, he should just tell them all to go to hell and get a job, right Senator?
And if they don't support him, he should just tell them all to go to hell and get a job, right Senator?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:15 am to Referee
quote:That's not true, they never told him that. They did likely suggest that he really needed some SEC guys on his staff to help the transition and relationship building in the region. At the time Derek Mason/Mike Bobo/Will Friend/Carnell Williams, etc. were ALL experienced SEC recruiters who could educate the Boise staffers and CBH.
He was told Auburn recruited itself…kids would come there without him doing a thing. He took them at their word. Obviously Auburn isn’t the big deal a few thought it was.
As it turns out Harsin seems to be stubborn (even more than Gus) and he believes in bringing in the right fit for his system and prospects have to meet his standard. He's in his 2 1/2 yr recruiting/portal cycle and it's rumored that he has yet to make an effort to meet with some of the biggest HS coaches in the state. WTH?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:21 am to RT1941
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As it turns out Harsin seems to be stubborn (even more than Gus) and he believes in bringing in the right fit for his system and prospects have to meet his standard
I mean, there's nothing wrong with any of that. Saban does that. Kirby does that. Dabo won't let a kid commit to Clemson without pledging absolute loyalty to him and the program and refusing to continue speaking to anyone who isn't a fellow Clemson commit.
The problem Harsin seems to have is that "the right fit" and "his standard" appears to have a lot of overlap with "kids being recruited by fewer than 6 P-5 programs and are desperate to play for a big SEC program."
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 9:22 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:25 am to CaptSpaulding
quote:pretty sure he interviewed at Arky and was mentioned as a a candidate at SCarolina.
Apparently not well enough that his name would be mentioned for a single job that has come open between 2014 and when Auburn came calling.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:26 am to CaptSpaulding
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Apparently not well enough that his name would be mentioned for a single job that has come open between 2014 and when Auburn came calling.
Yeah that's not true.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:30 am to Robot Santa
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"the right fit" and "his standard"
That's a very interesting observation.
Maybe he's eschewing pure talent versus someone who he feels is right for his system.
And as you stated, there's nothing wrong with that. But he needs that elite talent (and maybe a good mixture of both) to compete in this league.
Saban has swung the opposite way a few times and gotten talent without being "the right fit," and he's slowly gone back the other way. I think there clearly has to be some sort of balance, but Harsin might not see it that way.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:37 am to Robot Santa
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As it turns out Harsin seems to be stubborn (even more than Gus) and he believes in bringing in the right fit for his system and prospects have to meet his standard
quote:He's stubborn in his mindset and approach to recruiting. I believe he thinks HE can develop and mold players into what he wants with hard work, discipline, accountability, etc.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with any of that. Saban does that. Kirby does that. Dabo won't let a kid commit to Clemson without pledging absolute loyalty to him and the program and refusing to continue speaking to anyone who isn't a fellow Clemson commit.
The problem Harsin seems to have is that "the right fit" and "his standard" appears to have a lot of overlap with "kids being recruited by fewer than 6 P-5 programs and are desperate to play for a big SEC program."
That's fine for building character in young men and it's all well and good if you're pulling in 4-5* talent equal to your SEC counterparts. But so far, all that talk about toughness, discipline, and meeting standards hasn't translated to the football field as far as what we saw vs PSU.
Everything could turn on a dime and maybe last week was a wake-up call for a lot of AU coaches and players. Time will tell very soon when SEC competition gets going in full force.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:39 am to tgrmeat
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Not sure how someone behind the scenes could prevent him from even reaching out to high school coaches in Alabama to introduce himself by what is now his 3rd recruiting cycle. If the high school coaches in your own state have never met or even spoken to the HC at AU, that's a problem on his end.
Yeah it makes you wonder if Harsin just took the job for the buyout.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:56 am to RelentlessTide
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NIL money could be withheld until he’s gone
This was my thinking, as well
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