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re: Top 3 most dangerous teams in the West and East this year

Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:40 pm to
What makes you feel so great about aTm? You’re like Arkansas with higher ranked recruiting classes… Except we’ve won a Natty more recently, own y’all all time (even going through the worst period in school history for the sport), and y’all haven’t even won a division title. So, on paper, I don’t know why the excitement for a bunch of freshman who got paid to join a cult. I see a Righteous Gemstones muscleman rebellion coming soon.
Posted by truth22
Member since May 2021
1212 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:47 pm to
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Leaving College Station with a victory is not a very big deal for the veteran squad Leach will field rhis season,


I GUARANTEE theyre not leaving College Station with a win this year. 100%
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22786 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:59 pm to
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I consider you did not even plug all the holes let alone depth. The SEC West is brutal! Depth is massive. Even we have a hard time when we lose players to injuries and we recruit at the top year after year.


I consider the holes more plugged than you believe... See how this works ? ALso, who is "We" , I haven't paid enough attention to know who your support is behind. BUt if it is Miss State You do not recruit at the top. Bama, Sure... LSU, closer than us

My issue isn't one thing, it is how short sighted it seems. Preconceived notions is apparent. Trends matter. As much as I like Leach, and he coudld very well win against AR this season, He is weird and almost every fan on this site, in this thread has warned about his tendency to win some he shouldn't and ALWAYS lost some he shouldn't. Top 3... Nah man!

So comparing Miss State and AR. We both have great RB's then I suppose. I know we aren't concerned a bit there for ours. QB... Yeah, not a worry... WR? Possibly some adjusting with Burks gone.. But we have some good ones, Defense will be improved overall from last season for us.

Head Coach? Biased of course.. Pittman over Leach since arriving in the SEC. Done more with much less.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:02 pm to
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What makes you feel so great about aTm?


Better recruiting over the past 4 years. example, 2019 was the #4 class in the nation. 2020, #6 etc.


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You’re like Arkansas with higher ranked recruiting classes…


No.... not even close


Like I said, I see a step backwards this season for Ark.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:03 pm to
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I GUARANTEE theyre not leaving College Station with a win this year. 100%


I don;t see how you stop that.

You return 5 on that defense that could not stop them last year.

You think with returning 17 starters they are magically going to be worse?



Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:10 pm to
Y’all are easy to beat as long as your opponent plays tougher. You must be young and have watched the recent “glory days” of beating us. Historically we owned you. When we started the Jerry World rivalry, we owned you until Petrino crashed his motorcycle and derailed his football program. We had no problem keeping your highly talented and mouthy team (yeah, I’m talking about Spiller) to 10 points after KJ was injured. This was all with a patchwork team on our part. Losing Burks may or may not hurt us, but if we have anyone who can catch, that isn’t nearly as big of an area of concern for us as other positions. Y’all are definitely All Airport already though.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:15 pm to
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I consider the holes more plugged than you believe... See how this works ?


LOL.. I do. it's all opinions and fun. somebody will be wrong... somebody right.

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ALso, who is "We" , I haven't paid enough attention to know who your support is behind.


Bama


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My issue isn't one thing, it is how short sighted it seems. Preconceived notions is apparent. Trends matter.


Trends do matter. But what trend are we say matters vs which ones do not?

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As much as I like Leach, and he coudld very well win against AR this season, He is weird and almost every fan on this site, in this thread has warned about his tendency to win some he shouldn't and ALWAYS lost some he shouldn't. Top 3... Nah man!


Right, and they have not really backed that up with anything.

They try to compare WSU and their recruiting and demand that because his team of 2 and 3 stars would step up for a game and win against what "on paper" should have been a loss and then later in the year lose a game they claim he should have won based on beating a better team is so flawed.

Next, it's nothing compared to Ms St. State has always had pretty damn good defenses. WSU and that area ... come on. We both know that's not near the same. At the same time, MSU has never recruited massive talent on offense. Hell for 2 or 3 seasons prior to Leach they could not pass the ball above 54%.

Talk trends.. go from not being able to pass to recruiting QBs who set records in the state of Tx. That's a trend.

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So comparing Miss State and AR. We both have great RB's then I suppose.


And you will have the better run game.

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QB... Yeah, not a worry...


I wouldn't say that due to Burks being gone. Man Many examples of WRs making QBs look horrible due to Route running and people just blaming the QB.

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WR? Possibly some adjusting with Burks gone.. But we have some good ones,


You did! I agree. But is it enough.

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Defense will be improved overall from last season for us.



I just do not agree with that.





Again, anybody over looking a team that returns 17 starters is foolish
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:15 pm to
So you’re a Bama fan? If so, the manner in which you’re writing makes it seem as though you’re an Aggie or State fan. But it says “Columbia” is your favorite team. Did I not do enough forensic research? Lol
Posted by woodhog14
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jul 2011
900 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:16 pm to
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I GUARANTEE theyre not leaving College Station with a win this year. 100%


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I don;t see how you stop that.

You return 5 on that defense that could not stop them last year.

You think with returning 17 starters they are magically going to be worse?


He's saying that he 100% guarantees State not leaving College Station this year with a win because they're playing in Starkville this year.
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:17 pm to
Okay, some clarity. I agree on your last post unless it was an Arkansas team coached by John L. Smith or Chad Morris. Wow, what a small sample size but it actually turns out that returning starters can suck under the right conditions.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:42 pm to
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If so, the manner in which you’re writing makes it seem as though you’re an Aggie or State fan. But it says “Columbia” is your favorite team. Did I not do enough forensic research? Lol



I like talking football and keep up. I'm not being whatever, but it's easy to keep up with our team.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:43 pm to
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He's saying that he 100% guarantees State not leaving College Station this year with a win because they're playing in Starkville this year.


Lol. I didn't know that. Lol
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:51 pm to
Fair enough. And yes, normally getting 17 starters back from a team like Stare’s last year shouldn’t be a negative. What I don’t get is the Aggie love - on paper, they always look better than they do. Ask anyone from the SWC or Big12. Yes, they are rich. So are most of us (albeit they may be more so, but Texas’s alumni money and national brand dwarfs aTm - and I can’t stand them). Just don’t understand how year after year, Aggie is pumped and fails to deliver. Are they a “Sleeping Giant” or closer to being an ancient inactive volcano that erupted(besides the usual jizz) once in 1939 during WWII?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:15 pm to
I can agree with everything you just said.


I can see them flopping.... again
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:25 pm to
One way or another they will. The hubris from them every year is laughable.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:35 pm to
Keep dreaming doc, but appreciate the slight, I am sure it will be bulletin board material
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
12179 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:36 pm to
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How can anybody forget that a team that went 3-5 in the SEC and only returns what... 3 or 4 starters with a complete new staff?


The oline will be much improved over last year. The Dline will be nasty. Oh and on that new staff, very competent coaches over what we had last year. Getting Matt House from the Chiefs was huge.
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:42 pm to
Everyone thinking A&M always underachieves based on our Fran/Sherman/post-Kingsbury Sumlin years is akin to people saying Arky will always underachieve based on the Smith/Bielema/Morris years.

A&M and Arkansas have both had strong runs in the past, and we've both had some low lows in the last 20 years with bad coaching hires that torpedoed our respective programs.

Why so confident that Arky is destined to rebuild their program while A&M is destined not to? Especially now that both have solid coaching staffs in place and stong commitment from the ADs to compete at high levels in football?
Posted by dstarsntigers
Member since Apr 2022
796 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:52 pm to
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You should have just listed Bama, A&M, and Ole Miss in the West. Leach doesn't contend for titles. He'll have 2 unexpected upsets, and 3 wtf losses like he does every year.

Neither does a&m. It’s astounding how much unearned arrogance the Aggy fans spew
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:02 pm to
What arrogance? Leach has been a head coach for 20 years, in 3 different conferences. He's never even played in a conference championship game.

Hiring him with the expectation of winning titles is like hiring a guy literally nicknamed 7-win Sark and expecting him to win 10+ games a year. It just doesn't work like that.

Maybe A&M will compete for a title soon. I hope so. But I readily admit it's far from a certainty.
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