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re: Top 10 SEC WRs of the Last Decade (per SEC Network)
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:12 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:12 pm to DawginSC
McConkey deifnitely sticks out as out of place here. Good player but there's been so many more productive guys and probably better/more dominant guys in the SEC in the last 10 years not on this list.
Maybe he should crack a Top 20 but Top 10, absolutely no way. I just dont see the argument for him being Top 10 the past 10 years at WR in the SEC. Jameson Williams amassed Ladd McConkey's entire career stats in 1 season at Alabama.
Maybe he should crack a Top 20 but Top 10, absolutely no way. I just dont see the argument for him being Top 10 the past 10 years at WR in the SEC. Jameson Williams amassed Ladd McConkey's entire career stats in 1 season at Alabama.
This post was edited on 8/8/24 at 2:23 pm
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:13 pm to buckRogers
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best case scenario McConkey is Cole Beasley with a bad haircut. More realistically he’s out of the league in 4 years. the second round pick on him is genuinely comparable to the penix pick in sheer stupidity.
People really tend to mischaracterize McConkey like this simply because he's white.
Cole Beasley is 5'8". McConkey is 6'0".
Beasley is a 4.4 runner. McConkey is 4.3.
McConkey was also superior in the agility drills (3-cone, 20 yard shuttle) at the combine.
He's bigger, faster and quicker than Beasley. There's a reason McConkey went in the second round while Beasley was undrafted.
Others who want to be positive say Cooper Kupp... again because of them being white. But Kupp is taller and slower than McConkey (though they are very similar in the agility drills).
A better comparison is Garrett Wilson. Yeah, Wilson is not white, but he's the same size, same speed, same jump numbers and had the same type of college production up until their final season where McConkey got hurt and Wilson didn't.
And Wilson won offensive Rookie of the Year after he was drafted.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:58 pm to Imber
Hyatt will soothe his exclusion by polishing his Biletnikoff.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:58 pm to DawginSC
Didn’t make the comp based on cole Beasley being white. More the comparison to a situational slot receiver who finds decent separation underneath but lacks the extension and top-end speed to be consistently useful over the top. I’d just as quickly make the comparison to Russell gage or Jarvis Landry.
Fully acknowledge the 4.3 speed but I just never saw it in the strides such that it would translate to what you think of as an outside receiver who runs a 4.3. And I think to the extent he is useful underneath, it will be a big jump to play on an offense where you don’t have an elite tight end drawing attention away underneath. People always talk how a good tight end pulls the safeties down and helps outside receivers over the top, but I think people really neglect how much a good tight end takes the linebackers and nickel db’s attention away from that slot receiver. Regardless of how good mcconkey is on his own, there’s no doubt that a significant amount of his production was a direct result of teams caring exponentially more about bowers’ whereabouts.
Anyway he’s a cool enough player, hope he gives Herbert some help over there. But yeah idk I don’t really see it myself and think 2nd round was a massive reach.
Fully acknowledge the 4.3 speed but I just never saw it in the strides such that it would translate to what you think of as an outside receiver who runs a 4.3. And I think to the extent he is useful underneath, it will be a big jump to play on an offense where you don’t have an elite tight end drawing attention away underneath. People always talk how a good tight end pulls the safeties down and helps outside receivers over the top, but I think people really neglect how much a good tight end takes the linebackers and nickel db’s attention away from that slot receiver. Regardless of how good mcconkey is on his own, there’s no doubt that a significant amount of his production was a direct result of teams caring exponentially more about bowers’ whereabouts.
Anyway he’s a cool enough player, hope he gives Herbert some help over there. But yeah idk I don’t really see it myself and think 2nd round was a massive reach.
This post was edited on 8/8/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/8/24 at 3:21 pm to buckRogers
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Didn’t make the comp based on cole Beasley being white. More the comparison to a situational slot receiver who finds decent separation underneath but lacks the extension and top-end speed to be consistently useful over the top. I’d just as quickly make the comparison to Russell gage or Jarvis Landry.
Fully acknowledge the 4.3 speed but I just never saw it in the strides such that it would translate to what you think of as an outside receiver who runs a 4.3. And I think to the extent he is useful underneath, it will be a big jump to play on an offense where you don’t have an elite tight end drawing attention away underneath. People always talk how a good tight end pulls the safeties down and helps outside receivers over the top, but I think people really neglect how much a good tight end takes the linebackers and nickel db’s attention away from that slot receiver. Regardless of how good mcconkey is on his own, there’s no doubt that a significant amount of his production was a direct result of teams caring exponentially more about bowers’ whereabouts.
Anyway he’s a cool enough player, hope he gives Herbert some help over there. But yeah idk I don’t really see it myself and think 2nd round was a massive reach.
McConkey mostly played on the outside for UGA, not in the slot.
He is a superb route runner and has legit top end speed.
Here are some highlights since you don't seem all that familiar with how he was used at UGA.
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 3:22 pm to dallasga6
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WTF ever happened to him?
Auburn almost broke his foot off. He was still good but not the same.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 3:36 pm to buckRogers
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but I just never saw it in the strides
How would a Texas fan know enough about Ladd to have such a definitive take on his ability without watching him play?
Posted on 8/8/24 at 4:05 pm to FireDanMullen
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I think McConkey was a great player but to put him in top 10 based off production is insane
Not a shot at him because he was talented, there’s just no metric by which McConkey makes a top 10 list at WR.
Not talent.
Not production.
Not awards.
Not NFL draft order.
Not coach preference.
There are 5-10 guys who would’ve been picked over him by coaches in a hypothetical draft of all the potential guys at their peak during their college careers just off the top of my head.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 4:57 pm to FireDanMullen
Ladd sure kicked the hell outta the Gators.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:58 am to DawginSC
1) it is highly doubtful that he will play on the outside in the nfl
2) over the two or three uga games I watched, he played enough inside that I came to that armchair conclusion
Chill out man
2) over the two or three uga games I watched, he played enough inside that I came to that armchair conclusion
Chill out man
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:03 am to Imber
Waddle was way the hell better than the white boy. Probably better than one or two of the other Alabama picks.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:51 am to buckRogers
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1) it is highly doubtful that he will play on the outside in the nfl
2) over the two or three uga games I watched, he played enough inside that I came to that armchair conclusion
He almost never lined up on the inside. If he was not lined up as the outermost WR for UGA, he was in a bunch to the outside.
I think you're assuming he'll be a slot guy based on a perception that is at least in part based on the color of his skin. He's a 6 foot tall WR with 4.3 speed.
He's physically comparable to guys like Jamarr Chase or Justin Jefferson coming out of college in terms of measureables. He's the standard size and speed for a WR that can line up and play in any spot.
His draft position wasn't a surprise. He was viewed as a late first or early second round projection coming into the NFL draft. He wasn't projected as a slot WR and rarely played from the slot in college. He's viewed as a WR who can line up anywhere.
I'm not upset I'm just trying to explain to you that you're view of the player is not accurate. When UGA did line up in 3 WR sets, Lovett was generally in the slot, not McConkey.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 8:29 am to djsdawg
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Turns out arbitrary milestones like this don’t matter all that much to normal people
Dude you are so deep in spectrum the term normal is meaningless for you.
But sure production shouldn’t be part of a discussion when judging production…. Good lord the level of ignorance you just let fly..
Posted on 8/13/24 at 11:42 am to Imber
ladd mcconkey did not record a 1,000 yard season...
Posted on 8/13/24 at 11:47 am to SEC Doctor
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That 2019 Bama receiver room was insane.
Ours and LSU’s.
That game had so much QB & WR talent on the same field it’s completely absurd to think back on it.
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