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re: Tim Tebow is a false prophet
Posted on 5/6/21 at 7:43 am to jumpstart
Posted on 5/6/21 at 7:43 am to jumpstart
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I guess there has NEVER been two people gather and ask for those very things that I said.
I am not attempting to belittle you - you are more than welcome to interject your lack of belief. However, people can prooftext the Bible all day and prove or disprove anything they want. This passage has nothing to do with curing cancer or solving world hunger or whatever. It has to do with exercising church discipline. Again, be an unbeliever if you want to - but quit lying about what is being said
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:55 am to jumpstart
Sorry folks but I couldn’t let this go and I wont get into this here again
Just for the record...
*There are no bible verses that are false except for those which are used for teaching and shown to be false such as satans statement “you shall surely not die”.. Gen 3:4 .
*The Roman Catholic Church did not decide what books where included.
* Matthew the Apostle was the author of Matthew (in the 1st and 2nd centuries stories were transmitted via oral tradition and sometimes written by scribes).
* Mark was authored by John Mark. Mark was a companion of the Apostle Peter and associate of Paul.
* Luke was authored by Luke the physician. He was a companion of Paul. He also authored Acts
*John was authored by the Apostle John who also authored 1,2 and 3 John and Revelation.
The Bible was written by the hands of men by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. There are no contradictions or error in it as it is infallible.
But... your view of the Bible is described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:18 and 2:13-14
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the bible verses are false for the most part
Just for the record...
*There are no bible verses that are false except for those which are used for teaching and shown to be false such as satans statement “you shall surely not die”.. Gen 3:4 .
*The Roman Catholic Church did not decide what books where included.
* Matthew the Apostle was the author of Matthew (in the 1st and 2nd centuries stories were transmitted via oral tradition and sometimes written by scribes).
* Mark was authored by John Mark. Mark was a companion of the Apostle Peter and associate of Paul.
* Luke was authored by Luke the physician. He was a companion of Paul. He also authored Acts
*John was authored by the Apostle John who also authored 1,2 and 3 John and Revelation.
The Bible was written by the hands of men by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. There are no contradictions or error in it as it is infallible.
But... your view of the Bible is described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:18 and 2:13-14
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:34 am to GatorOnAnIsland
Beautiful
I don't hate Tim Tebow, nor do I hate anyone on this planet, even my enemies, since we are called to pray for our enemies
Tebow seems fake to me. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I'm certainly an idiot, so it's very possible that I'm wrong.
I grew up in a country church where some of the men went outside and took cigarette breaks during the middle of the sermon - they were state troopers and chicken farmers and rock crushers and such. I remember an old lady who wandered off and got lost in the woods and the entire church was out combing the woods looking for her. That's when I discovered muscadines. I'm pretty sure I remember we found the old lady.
One old man in our church once bumped his tray of the fruit of the vine against a wood beam and let out a "damnit!" or "shite!" during communion.
I come from a long line of misfits. They made me what I am today.
I'd certainly like to apologize to the Kansas fan who was forced to click this thread and read my tRantings. I will pray for him and Nancy Pelosi and Al Sharpton.
I don't hate Tim Tebow, nor do I hate anyone on this planet, even my enemies, since we are called to pray for our enemies
Tebow seems fake to me. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I'm certainly an idiot, so it's very possible that I'm wrong.
I grew up in a country church where some of the men went outside and took cigarette breaks during the middle of the sermon - they were state troopers and chicken farmers and rock crushers and such. I remember an old lady who wandered off and got lost in the woods and the entire church was out combing the woods looking for her. That's when I discovered muscadines. I'm pretty sure I remember we found the old lady.
One old man in our church once bumped his tray of the fruit of the vine against a wood beam and let out a "damnit!" or "shite!" during communion.
I come from a long line of misfits. They made me what I am today.
I'd certainly like to apologize to the Kansas fan who was forced to click this thread and read my tRantings. I will pray for him and Nancy Pelosi and Al Sharpton.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:05 am to Harry Rex Vonner
There is not a person on this board that would hate if their son was the next Tim Tebow. His parents raised him right. He is open about his love of Christ and has not been in trouble. Sign my boys up to be Tebow any day of the week.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:09 am to threedog79
We are 5 pages in this false prophet stuff and I still don't know what Tebow did to qualify for the label.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:18 am to Nitro Express
Man, I know this is mostly just a troll thread, but still...
If you're religious, there's something about not bearing false witness being a very big deal; like listed in the original Top Ten.
Tebow's maybe a bit too public and showy about things for my tastes, but I don't think he's ever used his faith for personal profit, or to spread a falsehood or subversive view. Those, in my opinion, are the areas that are no-no's.
Now I don't know him or his heart, but I get the impression that he likely drops to a knee and thanks God for an achievement, even if he's completely alone and unwitnessed. I don't think it's an act, and therefore I don't fault him.
If it's all for show, then I would say otherwise.
quote:a big problem with today's society is how easy it is to just say something about someone, and how far the boundaries have moved.
Believers are called to make righteous judgements, but I'd be careful.
If you're religious, there's something about not bearing false witness being a very big deal; like listed in the original Top Ten.
Tebow's maybe a bit too public and showy about things for my tastes, but I don't think he's ever used his faith for personal profit, or to spread a falsehood or subversive view. Those, in my opinion, are the areas that are no-no's.
Now I don't know him or his heart, but I get the impression that he likely drops to a knee and thanks God for an achievement, even if he's completely alone and unwitnessed. I don't think it's an act, and therefore I don't fault him.
If it's all for show, then I would say otherwise.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 4:44 am to GatorOnAnIsland
Your own bible will tell you that those books were not written by any of those people. You have no idea what you are talking about...period !!!!! The Christian scholars will tell you that and the Roman Catholic church did indeed put the bible together and decide which books would be accepted and rejected.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 4:48 am to mbogo
So...stop praying for god to protect you if god doesn't stop people from "free will". I would also ask about the "free will" of all the children who do not want to be raped and killed. Their "free will" seems to not count. I guess god could...but doesn't do anything to stop it...so why pray that he does....it makes no sense.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:27 am to jumpstart
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Roman Catholic church did indeed put the bible together
They why does the RCC Bible have 73 books and the Reformed Christian Bible has 66?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:53 am to jumpstart
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So...stop praying for god to protect you if god doesn't stop people from "free will". I would also ask about the "free will" of all the children who do not want to be raped and killed. Their "free will" seems to not count. I guess god could...but doesn't do anything to stop it...so why pray that he does....it makes no sense.
You keep hurling stuff against the wall hoping that it sticks.
I think you've allowed your emotions to get the best of you because this statement is irrational
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:53 am to GatorOnAnIsland
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They why does the RCC Bible have 73 books and the Reformed Christian Bible has 66?
They had supply chain issues.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:32 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Tebow seems fake to me. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I'm certainly an idiot, so it's very possible that I'm wrong.
I'm sure he seems fake to a lot of people. That's okay. For some people, they will watch him more closely hoping to catch him doing or saying something wrong that they can jump up and say, "Gotcha!" That's okay, too.
Tebow has been under the microscope for a long, LOOOONG time and nobody has caught him doing or saying anything that would indicate he is anything but sincere. In this day and time of cell phones and people loving their "Gotcha!" moments that is incredible.
And to your point above? I don't think you are an idiot at all. I think doubt and mistrust of people are typically well placed and understandable.
In Malachi 3:10 God tells us to "test Me in this and see...." If God has no problem with us questioning, doubting (to an extent) and testing him by doing what He tells us to do (to prove Him faithful to His word)
then I think Christians should be open and willing to being tested. Hey, we are all human. Doesn't mean we can use our humanity as an excuse for sin, but our sinful nature does mean that we will never be perfect even if that is the goal.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 7:33 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:43 am to jumpstart
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So...stop praying for god to protect you if god doesn't stop people from "free will". I would also ask about the "free will" of all the children who do not want to be raped and killed. Their "free will" seems to not count. I guess god could...but doesn't do anything to stop it...so why pray that he does....it makes no sense.
First, I think you are not fully understanding what free will is. Free will means that man can act of his own volition. God does not step in and stop people from doing...or attempting to do what they want.
What happens in the world happens because of mans choosing of sin over Godliness. If you want to blame somebody or some thing for the sin in the world blame sin, not God.
Man wants God to step in and stop the terrible and evil things that happen from man's choice of sin, but they also don't want God, or anybody else tot ell them how they should live their own lives. In other words, we want all of the good and still have autonomy. That's not the way it works. We don't get to pick and choose when God steps in and when He does not.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:39 am to Harry Rex Vonner
First you need to learn what false prophet means then go back under your rock...thanks in advance.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:59 am to DawgsLife
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First, I think you are not fully understanding what free will is. Free will means that man can act of his own volition. God does not step in and stop people from doing...or attempting to do what they want.
What happens in the world happens because of mans choosing of sin over Godliness. If you want to blame somebody or some thing for the sin in the world blame sin, not God.
Man wants God to step in and stop the terrible and evil things that happen from man's choice of sin, but they also don't want God, or anybody else tot ell them how they should live their own lives. In other words, we want all of the good and still have autonomy. That's not the way it works. We don't get to pick and choose when God steps in and when He does not.
Our dads went to the same seminary, as I mentioned earlier. Predetermination is something they believe in. Hard to claim free will in a thread about someone who believes in that
Posted on 5/7/21 at 9:41 am to MoarKilometers
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Our dads went to the same seminary, as I mentioned earlier. Predetermination is something they believe in. Hard to claim free will in a thread about someone who believes in that
I get that. The way I look at is this....just because someone knows what decision you are going to make does not take the decision making out of your hands.
For example, if my wife came to me and said, "I have supper ready. You can decide if you want broccoli or fried okra, what do you want?" She knows good and well I am going to choose fried okra. That doesn't mean I HAVE to choose fried okra. It just means she knows which I will choose by knowing me. God knows us better than we know ourselves.
However, predestination and free will are very difficult to argue and compare. Both sides are very adamant about where they stand, and I also understand where both sides come from. It's kind of like the chicken and the egg argument.
ETA
Out of curiosity....would you mind saying which seminary they attended? I didn't read through the entire thread, so I apologize if you have already posted it.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 9:49 am to DawgsLife
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ETA
Out of curiosity....would you mind saying which seminary they attended? I didn't read through the entire thread, so I apologize if you have already posted it.
I didn't mention it in this thread... but Western Baptist, out in/near Portland.
Edit: I believe "campus crusade for Christ" is the organization they were involved with at UF that had strong ties to this seminary. I'd have to double check with my dad on this detail.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 10:00 am to MoarKilometers
Posted on 5/7/21 at 10:13 am to GatorOnAnIsland
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Tim’s dad ...
LINK .
Nice, seems like my memory is still intact. I tried to call my dad after posting to confirm facts, but he's driving in the mountains of NC currently. Didn't have time for my brand of bs. Tim is the reason I found out what an abortion was, way back in 87. Dad almost joined us up with them in the Philippines a few years after that
Posted on 5/7/21 at 10:18 am to DawgsLife
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The way I look at is this....just because someone knows what decision you are going to make does not take the decision making out of your hands.
I think the fundamental problem people have with this argument of predestination is that foreknowledge about human decisions on God's part denotes duplicity. Why tell Adam to make the earth a paradise if he had foreknowledge he wasn't going to do it or couldn't do it. Why tell people to chose their way when he clearly already knows what decision that is. Some religions boldly believe and teach about predestination that God foreordains the decisions and type of people we will be before we live it. Even more duplicity.
A free moral agent exercising free will in all their life can't be reconciled with a God who has predetermined the outcome before it happens. Nor does it make sense that God would give the first parents on this earth a mandate to make the earth a paradise knowing good and well they were not going to. In either scenario, God would rightly be at fault. So in both situations about God's foreknowledge, how could predestination of humans and free will possibly be reconciled?
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