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re: Those who trust in the Lord will renew their strength;
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:16 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:16 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Yes indeed and Merry Christmas to all! 
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:11 am to J2thaROC
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according to this biblical quote, god is the creator of evil.
That's exactly what the words say. Now, perhaps it's a bad translation into the English language, but, your point stands.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:17 am to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:No we are not all born skeptics. There are religious people all over Earth who don't even realize that the Christian, Jewish and Muslim god are the same god. The god of Abraham. There are Christians who don't know that no one knows who wrote the gospels and that the church named the books Mark, Luke, Matthew and John. That is not who wrote the gospels and that a fact that even biblical scholars admit. Some bibles even acknowledge that fact in print in their bibles. True skeptics would know this....skeptics do their research.
We are all born skeptics
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:20 am to flagshipuniversity
40 Then the Lord said to Job,
2 “Do you still want to argue with the Almighty?
You are God’s critic, but do you have the answers?”
Job Responds to the Lord
3 Then Job replied to the Lord,
4 “I am nothing—how could I ever find the answers?
I will cover my mouth with my hand.
5 I have said too much already.
I have nothing more to say.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Learn from Job. How can a man question the ways of The Creator?
2 “Do you still want to argue with the Almighty?
You are God’s critic, but do you have the answers?”
Job Responds to the Lord
3 Then Job replied to the Lord,
4 “I am nothing—how could I ever find the answers?
I will cover my mouth with my hand.
5 I have said too much already.
I have nothing more to say.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Learn from Job. How can a man question the ways of The Creator?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:37 am to Harry Rex Vonner
2 Kings 6:28-29
"Then he asked her, 'What's the matter?' She answered, 'This woman said to me, "Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we'll eat my son." So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him.'"
"Then he asked her, 'What's the matter?' She answered, 'This woman said to me, "Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we'll eat my son." So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him.'"
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:39 am to NickPapageorgio
quote:I don't follow books written by ancient goatherders. It's all just primitive people trying to understand the things around them. I have no use for the bible or the Quran. I fear the Christian hell about as much as you fear the Muslim hell. End of story....you have the right to believe what you want to....and I have the right to reject your belief. So...carry on.
Learn from Job.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:05 pm to timdonaghyswhistle
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You are the billionth person to misinterpret the meaning of this scripture.
What’s to misinterpret? It clearly states it right there.
Explain to me in detail with citations from credible sources how that passage could be interpreted any differently. It literally states “god created evil”. Ergo my premise stands. Everything he creates serves his purpose. Ergo, evil serves his purpose. The only logical conclusion to that would be that evil is a necessity and those who do it are in fact doing “gods will”.
But I’m open to some other option here provided it’s logical and has evidence to back it up. Please provide.
I’m simply asking questions that arise to me based off that line of scripture.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:13 pm to lofty
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I read it as i create peace and adversity in your life (in regards to Israel) the adversity is meant to propel you to holiness and to draw near when your actions have seperated you from my peace..
I mean, I could see that. Not a bad explanation. However, we must “experience” something to know what it is. Therefore anyone doing evil is still following gods will because he needs someone to “show us what evil is”. Unless you adhere to the idea that we are born knowing good and evil in which case, there is no logical point for it to have ever been created. We could have just been born knowing what it is and never having to experience it for ourselves.
Obviously I am not a religious person. I can not say with certainty that there is no god however. It’s what they call and “unfalsifiable claim”. It doesn’t mean it’s true, it just means you can’t prove it wrong. Just like you can’t prove with certainty that ghost don’t exist. I do find religion fascinating though.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:44 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Merry Christmas HRV!
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:45 pm to J2thaROC
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I’m not here to knock anyone’s religion. You are free to worship whatever god/gods you want or to have none at all. But I can’t help but say, think about this statement long and hard and the actual implications behind it. If your belief is that god is infallible, and according to this biblical quote, god is the creator of evil. Doesn’t that make evil a necessity and therefore not “wrong”? I mean, if god “created it” it obviously serves a “purpose” so those who do “evil” are still, in fact, doing “god’s will”.
We have to have the ability to commit evil in order to find salvation. If your next question is “why?” then I would just say that we can’t expect to have the same level of understanding of the universe as God.
I don’t think your objection is as earth-shattering or original as you think it is. Close to 100% of people who have ever read the Bible, have went down that same line of thought.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 1:54 pm to J2thaROC
May I ask you...if your wife HAD to love you and didn't choose to love you, is it REAL love? Everything is necessary because God created us and then gave us a choice to love Him or not. He gave us the choice because He wants it to be true and real love.
You can't have light without dark, hope without despair, love without hate, or good without evil.
You can't have light without dark, hope without despair, love without hate, or good without evil.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:01 pm to J2thaROC
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Doesn’t that make evil a necessity and therefore not “wrong”? I mean, if god “created it” it obviously serves a “purpose” so those who do “evil” are still, in fact, doing “god’s will”.
It's only necessary to show the mercies of God! By being or doing evil isn't doing Gods will in the sense that you are going too get an attaboy. God created vessels to good works and other vessels to evil.
Read Romans 9
Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:09 pm to IvIerlot
What always got me is players being so excited to give praise to God for a victory. But they never get excited to give God glory for a loss with as much excitement. If its all God's will, shouldn't they be just as excited for both? I don't think God care one bit about who wins or loses, as long as his will is accomplished. I don't bring religion into sports personally beyond praying no one gets inured. Sports is waaay down the line of importance in the big picture.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:09 pm to flagshipuniversity
I'm afraid that you are wrong. Muslims think they worship the same God but they do not.
1John 2:23
22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Same goes for the 'jews' as well.
1John 2:23
22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Same goes for the 'jews' as well.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:32 pm to J2thaROC
quote:Yep. You have a green light to be evil cuz. Now go be bad to your mom.
I’m not here to knock anyone’s religion. You are free to worship whatever god/gods you want or to have none at all. But I can’t help but say, think about this statement long and hard and the actual implications behind it. If your belief is that god is infallible, and according to this biblical quote, god is the creator of evil. Doesn’t that make evil a necessity and therefore not “wrong”? I mean, if god “created it” it obviously serves a “purpose” so those who do “evil” are still, in fact, doing “god’s will”.
You can get upset with me for pointing this out and downvote away all you want. I get it. People don’t like when you bring up anything that could possibly be construed as negative against their religion. I’m simply pointing out the implication behind a statement like that.
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