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Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:52 am to RoyalAir
I'm not sure there's a "right" answer that everyone can simply point to.
South Carolina has the win over Clemson; if Clemson wins the conference, that's a marquee win.
South Carolina, though, had losses to both Alabama and Ole Miss with identical records. Their biggest plus is the "no bad losses" argument.
Alabama had the most "good" wins but also the ugliest number of losses (though I suppose one could debate if losing by a lot to Oklahoma is worse than losing by a little to Kentucky, but that's a level of semantics that's absurd even for this board).
Ole Miss had the easiest OOC schedule and fewest "good" wins but also had the BIGGEST good wins (higher scoring margin over Georgia and South Carolina).
The only way any of the three were going to get in (presuming Championship Saturday still plays out like it did) is if SMU isn't already in the top 12. Once that was established the "last one out" from the SEC, regardless of who that was, needed SMU to win *OR* get blown out by such an extreme margin that even the committee would have to waiver on the "championship games won't hurt you getting in". Neither of those things happened.
No SEC team was claiming the last spot going into last Saturday unless SMU won. They didn't. End of story.
South Carolina has the win over Clemson; if Clemson wins the conference, that's a marquee win.
South Carolina, though, had losses to both Alabama and Ole Miss with identical records. Their biggest plus is the "no bad losses" argument.
Alabama had the most "good" wins but also the ugliest number of losses (though I suppose one could debate if losing by a lot to Oklahoma is worse than losing by a little to Kentucky, but that's a level of semantics that's absurd even for this board).
Ole Miss had the easiest OOC schedule and fewest "good" wins but also had the BIGGEST good wins (higher scoring margin over Georgia and South Carolina).
The only way any of the three were going to get in (presuming Championship Saturday still plays out like it did) is if SMU isn't already in the top 12. Once that was established the "last one out" from the SEC, regardless of who that was, needed SMU to win *OR* get blown out by such an extreme margin that even the committee would have to waiver on the "championship games won't hurt you getting in". Neither of those things happened.
No SEC team was claiming the last spot going into last Saturday unless SMU won. They didn't. End of story.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:54 am to dores97
Sankey is to blame here. He lost a negotiation in which he (and big10) had all the cards. He should have demanded 4 teams and a reseeding after the top 12 were determined. He had to know that in most years the SEC would benefit from that. He also pushes a championship game which puts players at risk and gains nothing. The committee could not split the baby so they punted to SMU. Sankey put the conference in that position. He needs to go.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:56 am to lsusa
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- had a more palatable ugly loss, by 3 in Week 5 vs by 21 in week 14
Umm, no.
They gave Kentucky their only SEC win of the year. That is a 4-8 team.
Oklahoma is rated #33 in FEI and has the #6 overall defense.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:59 am to Bamafig
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He needs to go.
I haven't liked him from the start. He shite the bed on the playoff and he shite the bed on the TV deal. He pulled in 2 additional teams with no plan as far as a conference schedule and simply couldn't get one done so they went with a 2 year temporary schedule to figure things out. He wasn't able to leverage any additional money, even when adding 2 of the biggest brands in CFB. His officiating crew is the worst in all of sports.
He definitely needs to go.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:00 pm to 3down10
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Umm, no.
They gave Kentucky their only SEC win of the year. That is a 4-8 team.
Oklahoma is rated #33 in FEI and has the #6 overall defense.
You were favored by 3 scores and lost by 3 scores. You could only manage 3 points. You flew a 1400 mile round trip just to kick a field goal. The OU loss by Bama is far worse than the Ole Miss fluke loss by 3 points to Kentucky. I'm sorry that you are so retarded.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:02 pm to Landmass
He has historically bad arguments on this website.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:04 pm to skrayper
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I'm not sure there's a "right" answer that everyone can simply point to. South Carolina has the win over Clemson; if Clemson wins the conference, that's a marquee win. South Carolina, though, had losses to both Alabama and Ole Miss with identical records. Their biggest plus is the "no bad losses" argument. Alabama had the most "good" wins but also the ugliest number of losses (though I suppose one could debate if losing by a lot to Oklahoma is worse than losing by a little to Kentucky, but that's a level of semantics that's absurd even for this board). Ole Miss had the easiest OOC schedule and fewest "good" wins but also had the BIGGEST good wins (higher scoring margin over Georgia and South Carolina). The only way any of the three were going to get in (presuming Championship Saturday still plays out like it did) is if SMU isn't already in the top 12. Once that was established the "last one out" from the SEC, regardless of who that was, needed SMU to win *OR* get blown out by such an extreme margin that even the committee would have to waiver on the "championship games won't hurt you getting in". Neither of those things happened. No SEC team was claiming the last spot going into last Saturday unless SMU won. They didn't. End of story.
I upvoted your post because, despite disagreement on a few key points, it’s rational and mostly in sync.
One issue that I think is very important to remind people and your post brings up is the committee decided before the conference championship week that SMU > Ole Miss, Bama, USC .
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:04 pm to dores97
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but it wasn't like they were really dominant and in at least 2 of them, they eked out wins.
They destroyed Oklahoma, Vanderbilt, and aTm. At the time of aTm and Vanderbilt, both were riding high. aTm was in the driver seat for Atlanta. They were absolutely dominant in those games.
SC, as a program, has struggled with Mizzou. Beating them as they did, leading a TD drive in 65 seconds, was impressive. You don't have to like Mizzou, but they only had two losses at the time.
They beat Clemson, in Clemson, a place that CU had only lost like 3 times in 6 years or so. It's one of the best OOC wins that the SEC had this year.
I'm not sure what else you wanted to see.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:10 pm to Landmass
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You had the most pussy schedule I've ever seen in the SEC. You beat nobody worth a flip. You can kindly shut the frick up.
Calling it like I see it. Sorry that you don't like it. If you are 10-2 right now, you would be in the playoffs.
Texas and Ole Miss played 6 common opponents. We both played Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky & State. We went 5-1. Ole Miss went 4-2. Had you gone 5-1 in those games, you would be in the playoffs.
Sounds like a YOU problem instead of a ME problem.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:13 pm to Landmass
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You were favored by 3 scores and lost by 3 scores.
I have no idea why you think this means anything.
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You could only manage 3 points.
10 points really. It's a loss either way, Milroe sucks. Still isn't a loss to 4-8 Kentucky who would otherwise have 0 conference wins.
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You flew a 1400 mile round trip just to kick a field goal.
Again, don't know why you think this matters. I can only guess you know Ole Miss lacks any real arguments, so you just want to troll?
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The OU loss by Bama is far worse than the Ole Miss fluke loss by 3 points to Kentucky.
Well no, it's not. Oklahoma won because of their defense and they have the #6 defense in the country according to FEI. Milroe gave them a pick six and a the ball on the 14 to start the 2nd half. While having their only legit TD taken away by refs.
Kentucky on the other hand has the 85th ranked offense and the 33rd ranked defense. I don't know which part Ole Miss struggled with.
Vandy is actually Alabama's worse loss by far, and it's still not as bad as Kentucky but closer. Vandy is 4 spots higher than Kentucky in FEI.
Not to scare you, but Duke is 1 spot below Kentucky.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:15 pm to BigBro
Correction, 1-4
Ole Miss took care of the Sooners
Ole Miss took care of the Sooners
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:20 pm to Landmass
If we're being honest none of the 3 sec teams truly deserved to be in. Don't lose 3 games next time 
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:23 pm to lsusa
Hilarious. Your dumbass talking about Bama losing to Oklahoma & Ole Miss lost to Kentucky. Somehow this makes Ole Miss better.
Louisiana education system on display.
Louisiana education system on display.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:25 pm to lsusa
I agree that Ole Miss was more deserving than Bama. On top of all the points you laid out, Ole Miss won every game by double digits whereas Bama squeaked by several of their wins. Not counting the USF debacle.
I don't know how people justify that a 3 point loss in league play, even to a 4-8 team (that had just lost to UGA by 1 point the week prior so obviously was still trying) is exponentially worse than a 21 point loss to a 6-6 team the next to last week of the season.
Doesn't matter since neither school got in though.
I don't know how people justify that a 3 point loss in league play, even to a 4-8 team (that had just lost to UGA by 1 point the week prior so obviously was still trying) is exponentially worse than a 21 point loss to a 6-6 team the next to last week of the season.
Doesn't matter since neither school got in though.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:41 pm to AlterDWI
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Hilarious. Your dumbass talking about Bama losing to Oklahoma & Ole Miss lost to Kentucky. Somehow this makes Ole Miss better. Louisiana education system on display.
This Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:48 pm to lewis and herschel
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Sorry, nobody cares about Ole Miss
Clearly. Georgia didn’t even bother to show up for that arse whooping in Oxford.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:54 pm to Vincenzo Pantangelli
I already said that.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:55 pm to lsusa
This message board screwed up by approving your account.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:17 pm to lsusa
A 3 loss team shouldn’t make the playoff. Don’t want to be left out? Dont lose to Vanderbilt or Kentucky.
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