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Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:35 am to NYCAuburn
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I think you are underestimating, just look at the bitching that has happened at determining BCS and playoff teams
Because you have a committee playing favorites. This formula is the exact opposite of that. The standings are based on conference record and tie-breakers would be based on head-to-head.
How is that anything like a decision made by a committee?
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Second place would be the hardest spot to determine most of the time, as there are a lot of ties in that spot.
If there were a two-way tie at #2, there is already a mathematical 69.2% chance that those two teams would have met during the regular season. So the head-to-head would be a very easy tie-breaker with zero controversy.
In the rare chance they had not played, they each would have played 9 SEC regular season games out of just 12 possible opponents. In all likelihood there would be a minimum of 5 common opponents to compared the head-to-head results against.
There would literally be less than a 10% chance that both teams in the #2 spot finished with the same conference record and both lost only once to the same opponent. In that extremely rare event, then just reward the #2 spot to the team that played the more difficult SEC schedule that year (total up the # of wins of each of their opponents).
There are literally dozens of tie-breakers that could be put in place to determine the last spot.
.... just as there are now in the rare event that three teams finish tied in a division.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:41 am to BowlJackson
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Neither. With 9 games you can have 2 permanent opponents. We used to have 2 before 2003. Dum dum
There weren't 14 teams then either. Dum dum.
When that format was in place there were only 4 opponents for each SEC team that were not played annually... and those games still came around twice every 8 years so it averaged out to playing everyone a minimum of once every 4 years.
That's a far cry from currently playing every team at least once every 7 years. Not at all similar actually.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:50 am to BHMKyle
Amen, brother
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:53 am to BHMKyle
No divisions means multiple tiebreakers to compare all 14 teams to each other due to lack of common opponents.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:58 am to TH03
I agree that aTm and Mizzou are just not SEC material.
They don’t fit culturally and it’s not their fault. But 14 teams is too much and I’d rather get back to 12 team leagues.
But you can’t predict what other conferences will do. If they go to 16, then this will happen.
Druthers and all, I’d want to go back to
Big East
Big 10
Big 12
Pac 12
Sec
Acc
Have a conference championship game for each league
Allow a play off for the group of five to fill the final two spots for an 8 team play off so they won’t bitch and moan all the time.
They don’t fit culturally and it’s not their fault. But 14 teams is too much and I’d rather get back to 12 team leagues.
But you can’t predict what other conferences will do. If they go to 16, then this will happen.
Druthers and all, I’d want to go back to
Big East
Big 10
Big 12
Pac 12
Sec
Acc
Have a conference championship game for each league
Allow a play off for the group of five to fill the final two spots for an 8 team play off so they won’t bitch and moan all the time.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:59 am to BHMKyle
It's interesting that those FOR 9 games always reside in the SEC West.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:05 pm to BHMKyle
I'm not a baseball person, but what is the scheduling for SEC opponents?
Also, I know baseball has MORE than a 12 game season.
Also, I know baseball has MORE than a 12 game season.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:08 pm to BowlJackson
Once again, switching Aub. east forces Ala. & the SEC to give up TSIO or IB!
Along with that, the SEC WILL NOT split same-state schools into different divisions. Therefore Vandy IS NOT an option for movement for Aub..
Along with that, the SEC WILL NOT split same-state schools into different divisions. Therefore Vandy IS NOT an option for movement for Aub..
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:09 pm to BHMKyle
Current format is garbage
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:11 pm to BHMKyle
Would you still say the same had we got a true Eastern school instead of Mizz.?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:15 pm to BowlJackson
& we had 12 teams with 1 perm & 2 rotating opponents yearly...therefore you faced everybody twice every ~5 years.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:18 pm to dstone12
How do you format those "playoffs" TO MAKE the playoffs?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:21 pm to southernboisb
quote:I'd like to know this as well.
Would you still say the same had we got a true Eastern school instead of Mizz.?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:29 pm to southernboisb
Too many ways to count, really.
Since the group of 5 completion is lacking, severely, hypothetically you’d ask them to put forth 2 teams out of their 60+ teams. It will be unfair for them too during the post season since it is unfair that they play sub par competition during the reg.
Take the top 8 from
Cusa
Aau
Mac
Mw
Sunbelt
And have two four team playoffs. Let the top two come in and be the sacrificial reward for the top two power 5 in playoff.
Yes they have to play more games than power five but they have to
Aka a play in game just like the ncaa basketball tourney
ETA. This will never happen. Due to the premise that league contraction is simply not a reality.
Spitballing is about the only thing we can do.
Since the group of 5 completion is lacking, severely, hypothetically you’d ask them to put forth 2 teams out of their 60+ teams. It will be unfair for them too during the post season since it is unfair that they play sub par competition during the reg.
Take the top 8 from
Cusa
Aau
Mac
Mw
Sunbelt
And have two four team playoffs. Let the top two come in and be the sacrificial reward for the top two power 5 in playoff.
Yes they have to play more games than power five but they have to
Aka a play in game just like the ncaa basketball tourney
ETA. This will never happen. Due to the premise that league contraction is simply not a reality.
Spitballing is about the only thing we can do.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:33 pm to BHMKyle
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2. Make a rule that all SEC members must play at least 11 Power 5 + other approved opponents in a season.
This would be suicidal for the conference and it would make getting two members into the playoff nearly impossible.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:01 pm to southernboisb
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It's interesting that those FOR 9 games always reside in the SEC West.
... because no one in the West has an annual OOC in-state rival like Georgia, Florida, S. Carolina, and Kentucky.
I'm all for a 9-game schedule... as long as everyone agrees to play 11 Power+ OOC games.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:36 pm to southernboisb
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I'm not a baseball person, but what is the scheduling for SEC opponents?
In baseball, every team plays ten 3-game series against SEC opponents. So every team plays 10 of the other possible 13 opponents. And the end of the season, they are essentially ranked 1-14, with the Top 4 teams receiving a double-bye in the SEC Tournament.... Teams 5-8 receiving a single bye. And teams 9-12 having to play an extra single elimination game. Teams 13 and 14 don't make the Tournament.
I just don't see why no one screams about ranking them 1-14 in baseball but act like its impossible to do in Football. It's nearly an identical concept.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:39 pm to southernboisb
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Would you still say the same had we got a true Eastern school instead of Mizz.?
Georgia playing in Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, College Station, Oxford, Starkville, and Fayetteville only one time every 14 years is a problem that has nothing to do with Missouri. So yes I'd be saying the same thing.
But yes, Mizzou exasperates the the already obvious isses with the current format. It'd ridiculous that Georgia (and every other Eastern team) has to travel nearly 750 miles 6 different times over a 14-year period before going to Tuscaloosa just once.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:05 pm to BHMKyle
The NCAA got rid of the rules requiring divisions a few years ago.
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