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re: The SEC is still the nation's best conf. But why has it declined?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:13 am to sabes que
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:13 am to sabes que
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it has definitely declined in the last few years. Why is this IYO?
The QB position throughout the conference has been subpar. Bama has won with 'game managers,' but has had quality surrounding casts around them to offset QB deficiencies. L5U has gotten by much the same way despite their suckass QBs. AU has had QB talent but it's becoming increasingly hard to find a quality QB on a police blotter.
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:14 am to CCTider
Were you born stupid?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:15 am to sabes que
The Answer is Saban.
He won at LSU and that just put chum in the water. Florida soon followed, with a taste and then the arms war started. LSU with another, Florida with another, Bama on the rise. All the programs started racing to see who could ultimately be the biggest baddest pitbull on the block.
Ultimately, someone would have to come out the alpha dog. Sadly, it took destroying all other contenders to do so.
Now it is just him at the top with everyone else slinking around the perimeter, occasionally challenging, but never with any consistency.
When he leaves or gets distracted, a new golden age of SEC dominance will ensue. Until then, it will be the Saban and everyone else show.
He won at LSU and that just put chum in the water. Florida soon followed, with a taste and then the arms war started. LSU with another, Florida with another, Bama on the rise. All the programs started racing to see who could ultimately be the biggest baddest pitbull on the block.
Ultimately, someone would have to come out the alpha dog. Sadly, it took destroying all other contenders to do so.
Now it is just him at the top with everyone else slinking around the perimeter, occasionally challenging, but never with any consistency.
When he leaves or gets distracted, a new golden age of SEC dominance will ensue. Until then, it will be the Saban and everyone else show.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:15 am to sabes que
The level of QB play in this conference is crap compared to a few years ago.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:36 am to sabes que
I think its a few things. Coaching turnover has been a net negative. Lost Urban and others have been needing to go.
Also, I believe we have taught other conferences how to recruit better. Everybody has players now and that wasn't true during the reign of dominance.
The biggest factor, however, is the change in offenses. They are much, much better and more sophisticated now than they were just 5 years ago.
And, simply put, other conferences got tired of hearing about it.
Also, I believe we have taught other conferences how to recruit better. Everybody has players now and that wasn't true during the reign of dominance.
The biggest factor, however, is the change in offenses. They are much, much better and more sophisticated now than they were just 5 years ago.
And, simply put, other conferences got tired of hearing about it.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:48 am to Mohican
This conference is deeper right now than it has ever been. Look at all the injuries across the board. I think the coaches across the board are better than ever and that is not close.
If you seed the SEC against the Big 12 or the 10 we would win 75 percent of those games.
If you seed the SEC against the Big 12 or the 10 we would win 75 percent of those games.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:52 am to smallmouth
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If you seed the SEC against the Big 12 or the 10 we would win 75 percent of those games.
I'll take things you could never prove so it sounds good to say for $1,000 Alex
Edit: Although Texas Tech, who has a losing record in the Big 12, did in fact beat Arkansas, who has a winning record in the SEC W
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:53 am to srotaG adirolF
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Overall, QB play is atrocious, beyond bad.
Pffft
The sum total of 14 players doesn't bring down the other 294 by that factor.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:54 am to Crimson Legend
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We were never as unbeatable as 7 straight NC's made us appear. We were the best conference, but not so much greater as everyone liked to believe.
This is probably it. In honesty, OSU is the reason why this began with the UF blowout. LSU followed the next year, but at least that game was somewhat competitive. After that, you can look at the games and most of the games were very competitive, aside from ND just getting their crap kicked in
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:56 am to Lonnie Utah
Sadly this is true. Alabama throttling the SEC West and then getting completely humiliated in the post-season these last couple years are proof enough. If it happens again this year, even Alabama will be considered overrated. I think we could call three post-season humiliations in a row a trend.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:56 am to sabes que
It hasn't declined at all. There is much more parity. In the midst of 7 in a row, the Mississippi schools sucked giant dick and were easy wins.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:00 am to sabes que
I blame Obama
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:03 am to smallmouth
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This conference is deeper right now than it has ever been. Look at all the injuries across the board. I think the coaches across the board are better than ever and that is not close.
If you seed the SEC against the Big 12 or the 10 we would win 75 percent of those games.
I do think the West is deeper and more talented than it has ever been. But it isn't showing in OOC and bowl games. I do think teams are teetering by the end of the season.
The hype that we have gotten over the years is having an effect. Other conferences show up looking to prove a point against the SEC.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:05 am to Crimson Legend
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We were never as unbeatable as 7 straight NC's made us appear. We were the best conference, but not so much greater as everyone liked to believe.
that is true, however the OP asks a relevant question that deserves actual consideration.
The game has changed, the west coast offense, the spread, high powered passing sets that move the ball quickly have made teams with less than great defenses completely beatable. 3 yards and a cloud of dust(old man football) still has relevance when you are winning games 9-6 but in an age of 50+ point differentials it is no longer "the king".
The reason your coach coke bottle whines incessantly about up tempo when ever he gets a chance, he doesn't want to deal with the change, but the fans don't like the slow, boring, low scoring football any more either.
Either way it's good for the SEC to realize you are either getting better or falling behind, there has been far too much complacency in some of the fanbases.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:08 am to Buckeye06
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This is probably it. In honesty, OSU is the reason why this began with the UF blowout. LSU followed the next year, but at least that game was somewhat competitive. After that, you can look at the games and most of the games were very competitive, aside from ND just getting their crap kicked in
How many other conferences could 4 different teams beat the best of each of the others over a span of 10 years?
Not trying to be a blowhard, I just think, during that time span, to have 4 different programs do it carries significant weight.
It's certainly not that way anymore.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:10 am to TeLeFaWx
TeLeFaWx post. didn't read just 
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:10 am to Dawgholio
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I need a translator that speaks Mississippi am
You don't frick with a tRant legend. He doesn't speak Mississippian, he speaks "da truf"!
Also: TA is the best Mercer translator
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:13 am to TigernMS12
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The SEC is not the best conference in the nation this year, at least not clear cut.
Yup very true.
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The Big Ten and the Big XII have good arguments of being better than the SEC.
Disagree. They have strong arguments to be as equally good. With maybe a better group of top 3 teams before Doctson, Stidham, and Boykin got injured.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:16 am to srotaG adirolF
Poor QB play across the board for many
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:17 am to tiger perry
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Poor QB play across the board for many
cuz it so hard to hand off to the fullback.. over and over and over..
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