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re: The SEC gauntlet schedule mythos

Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:02 am to
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:02 am to
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Players on NFL rosters by conference: SEC 367 Big Ten 288 ACC 213 Big 12 207 Pac-12 178


Another way to look at it:


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Colleges with most players in the NFL, 2023
1. Alabama: 57
2. Ohio State: 47
3. Georgia: 46
4. LSU: 43
5. Michigan: 38
t-6. Clemson: 37
t-6. Notre Dame: 37
8. Florida: 34
9. Penn State: 33
10. Oklahoma: 32
11. Texas: 30
12. Iowa: 29
13. Auburn: 28
14. Southern California: 26
t-15. Oregon: 25
t-15. Stanford: 25
t-15. Washington: 25
18. Mississippi: 24
t-19. Texas A&M: 23
t-19. Wisconsin: 23
t-21. Miami (Fla.): 22
t-21. UCLA: 22
t-23. Tennessee: 21
t-23. TCU: 21
25. South Carolina: 20


There are 9 SEC teams on that list. There are 3 from Big 12. Tx and Ou are always at the the top of this list for the Big 12 and obviously have a lot of NFL talent but the rest of the Big 12 usually has just a few guys here and there on a team. Tx and Ou numbers are more slightly above middle of pack in SEC. You will be facing rosters with NFL talent every week that can either beat you if you arent up for the game or at a minimum physically beat you up.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
32298 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:02 am to
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Uh... hate to break it to you, but the SEC has a losing record against both the Big 12 and the ACC this year

You really don't understand what I’m talking about.
Posted by solus
Member since Dec 2019
3568 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:02 am to
Sound scared
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11184 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:03 am to
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Texas has always been a top recruiter, but have historically underachieved with it. That is a Texas thing I guess.

Texas and OU will have big seasons, like the LSU's and Florida's. But just like those teams they will have a lot of 9 and 8 win years as well.


Both have to ranked recruiting classes because they have the money and there is a HEAP of Div 1 skill position players in Texas. What there is not a lot of is true Div 1 Linemen. Oklahoma hasn't fielded a defense in memory. Both have played a LOT of games against teams without and or very few Div 1 linemen on both sides of the ball. Even Vandy has NFL talent on the line at times. EERYBODY in the SEC has NFL talent on the line. It takes its toll. When you combine that talent with the depth at those positions at the top half of the SEC it really takes a toll. Neither Texas nor Oklahoma have faced that week after week in their histories. They will starting next year. Time will tell who was right but its only Texas and OU fans claiming its a myth...the rest of the CFB recognizes it for what it is...

Texas and Oklahoma combined have won one natty each in 20 years. They did not play a team with a defensive pulse in either season and they have not 2 in a row for a long time if ever. They will next year. Hard to imagine either faring any better when they are going to be playing teams with as much or more talent than their opponents traditionally and certainly more depth week in and week out.
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:03 am to
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24135 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:05 am to
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Where does this narrative come from? Because it sounds like wishcasting and a coping mechanism for the 75% of SEC schools who consistently suck and need an explanation for why they can’t put together a sustainable winning run, and it sounds like the last gasp hope of the forever middling teams who will immediately be leapfrogged in respect and competitiveness by Texas and OU’s entry to the conference.



It's not a myth really. It's somewhat true but probably exaggerated a good bit.

All conferences for the last 10 years have had good teams on top (Clemson/FSU OSU/Michigan/PSU, OU, USC/Oregon/Washington, Bama/UGA/LSU), but it has always been the 4-8 teams that to me separate the SEC. It may not be true every year, but most years, the 5th or 6th best SEC team is 2-3 TDs better than that same tier team in another conference.

I do not think it is true in 2023 to be clear. However, overall in the recent past it has been clearly true. An 8-4 SEC team is usually better than an 8-4 Pac 12 team
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:05 am to
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Time will tell who was right but its only Texas and OU fans claiming its a myth...the rest of the CFB recognizes it for what it is...

Texas and Oklahoma combined have won one natty each in 20 years. They did not play a team with a defensive pulse in either season and they have not 2 in a row for a long time if ever. They will next year. Hard to imagine either faring any better when they are going to be playing teams with as much or more talent than their opponents traditionally and certainly more depth week in and week out.
The rest of CFB DOES recognize for what it is... that's why Texas had the 5th ranked SOS in the country this year.

They were only behind 2 SEC schools. One of which was Alabama. Boy it sure would be nice if those schools could've played each other this year to shut those big meanie longhorn fans up and put them in their place!!!
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4976 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:06 am to
The Texas and OU fans in here have me laughing because they are just grasping at things trying to understand what we all know. You can't know until you watch it week in and week out.

Let's take a look at Ole Miss's schedule this year. Not a crazy difficult SEC schedule but a run of the mill tough slate of games in the league.


Bama
LSU
Arkansas
Auburn
Vandy
Texas A&M
UGA
State

There are 4 really difficult games on that schedule plus the rivalry game with state. The Arkansas game should be a gimme but you get it after having to play Bama and LSU. The State game which is already a rivalry game was played after having to play two of the most physical defenses in the league in A&M and UGA. The physical price you pay week in week out in this league is just unmatched and that's proven time and time again when SEC teams smash Big 12 teams in the playoffs over and over again. Iron sharpens iron. For comparison lets look at Texas's league schedule this year.

Baylor
Kansas
OU
UH
BYU
K-State
TCU
Iowa State
Texas Tech


So the best league team Ole Miss played would be Bama or UGA. Let's say its Bama. Texas best game team played was OU. Bama is much better than OU. So now the second best team Ole Miss played was UGA. For Texas that is either Kansas or K-State. Again UGA is much better than either of those. And it goes down the line the same way. LSU is a harder game than Kansas. A&M is a harder game than BYU. It's really not that complicated but when you struggle with Houston and call us crazy for telling you that you are gonna struggle at Starkville after having had played OU and UGA the previous 2 weeks you just aren't paying attention.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 10:15 am
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68672 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:06 am to
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Uh... hate to break it to you, but the SEC has a losing record against both the Big 12 and the ACC this year


Print the shirts!
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:07 am to
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Print the shirts!
Lol y'all are the ones asking to be worshipped, not Texas and OU. Don't be mad because facts refute your delusions
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24135 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:07 am to
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I know a team like Michigan would not be 13-0 if they played an SEC schedule. No shot.



You don't think Michigan would have been 12-0 playing UGAs schedule this season (excluding the SECCG for the time being)?

UGA was the only 12-0 team in the SEC this regular season and I think there's a very good chance Michigan would have matched that. And I dislike Michigan very much.


Posted by TideFaninFl
On the space coast
Member since Oct 2017
6768 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:08 am to
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SEC had 14 teams for a decade while the Big 12 had 10. I’d hope the SEC would have more good teams.

Has the SEC had less undefeated teams than other conferences? Since it’s such a grind and anyone can beat anyone on any given Saturday?


And yet with 10 or 12 teams, the SEC still has won more NC than any other conference. Look and see how the Big 12 did against the SEC in title or playoff games all-time. (OU is 0 for the SEC to start)
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:08 am to
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So the best league team Ole Miss played would be Bama or UGA. Let's its Bama. Texas best game team played was OU. Bama is much better than OU.
Damn. Too bad Texas couldn't have played Bama this year. They would've been EMBARRASSED!
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It's really not that complicated but when you struggle with Houston and call us crazy for telling you that you are gonna struggle at Starkville after having had played OU and UGA the previous 2 weeks you just aren't paying attention.
Yea... I couldn't imagine the conference champion needing a miracle to beat a 6-6 conference team that got pounded by New Mexico State the week before... must be a Big 12 thing
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 10:12 am
Posted by DBird
Member since Nov 2023
713 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:09 am to
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They were only behind 2 SEC schools. One of which was Alabama. Boy it sure would be nice if those schools could've played each other this year to shut those big meanie longhorn fans up and put them in their place!!!


Played exactly 2 top 15 teams and went 1-1. Impressive
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:10 am to
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It's not a myth really. It's somewhat true but probably exaggerated a good bit.


I think this is basically the exact correct answer.

It's not as big a deal as SEC homers like to puff their chest out and say, but if you asked any coach in the country who has experience playing a full SEC schedule vs any other league they'd tell you without a doubt that it is different.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44996 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:10 am to
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Beating up on Mercer, UTSA, UL Monroe, Abilene Christian, and Prairie View A&M doesn't impress me.

I’m not looking to spar with you.

Texas A&M’s OOC opponents are no different than are our SEC brethren’s.
We’ve faced Top 10 opponents, and we’ve played teams looking for nothing but exposure and a paycheck.
Same as the rest of the conference

If you’re set on categorizing us as as the worst of the worst, that’s your prerogative.
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:11 am to
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Played exactly 2 top 15 teams and went 1-1. Impressive
Oh, I guess I forgot all of the SEC was top 15 teams like the rest of this thread is trying to claim. Thank GOD Texas only had to play Bama and not perennial powerhouses A&M, South Carolina, Kentucky and Arkansas this year!!!
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
12912 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:11 am to
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Tx and Ou numbers are more slightly above middle of pack in SEC. You will be facing rosters with NFL talent every week that can either beat you if you arent up for the game or at a minimum physically beat you up.


Didn't you guys just play texsa? Seems like you got beat up, not them, from what I recall.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
12912 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:14 am to
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I’m not looking to spar with you.


There's nothing to spar about. Either we're talking about conference wins or we aren't. Clearly, we aren't.

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Texas A&M’s OOC opponents are no different than are our SEC brethren’s.


I'd agree. So you all do indeed have "weeks off".

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We’ve faced Top 10 opponents, and we’ve played teams looking for nothing but exposure and a paycheck. Same as the rest of the conference


See above comment.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 10:15 am
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4976 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:16 am to
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Damn. Too bad Texas couldn't have played Bama this year. They would've been EMBARRASSED!


Who said this? A specific question was asked and I answered the question using logic. Never said a negative thing about Texas so not sure why the child like response.
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