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The real problem- I sat through the entire hearing yesterday

Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:23 am
Posted by UnsureTiger
Member since Apr 2023
168 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:23 am
The SEC is saying that it is against former professional players playing in the SEC.

No one has been able to define what a former professional player is.

The problem is that not only can the SEC not define this, but their own definition and standard changed at least 5 times during the hearing.

At the beginning the judge flat out asked the SEC attorney "what is amateurism" and the attorney said he couldn't answer at that time, but would answer later. He never ended up answering that question.

Sankey had multiple occasions where he moved the goalpost on what a professional is. After attempting dodge the question he eventually was forced to give some kind of an answer.

For basketball he said players that come from professional leagues overseas may not be professionals because some of them play for clubs. He said G League players are professional players, but anyone who plays through the full summer league is not a professional. These were just his opinions and clearly not based on any facts.

For football he had different answers also. He said signing a contract makes someone a pro. Later with a different line of questioning he said that participation in an NFL mini camp does not make someone a pro, but participation in training camp does make them a pro.

The NCAA and SEC attorneys had an even different view of what a professional is saying that anyone who decides to leave college knows that they were making a choice to be a professional and giving up their right to come back to college.

Attempts were made to define a professional as someone who has been paid. Well one player only got paid $190 by the NFL. The highest paid in the case received $25k. So if receiving $25k makes you a professional athlete then there are professional athletes on every team in the SEC. That same player that received $25k said he received 6 figures at Ole Miss last year and could have received 7 figures this year if he would have been allowed to stay in college.

So if the SEC is going to punish a school for playing a former professional athlete then which standard of professional are they going to use? They can't even set a standard.

Hopefully the new 5 for 5 age based rule will solve most of these problems, but ultimately new rules need to be made defining at what point a player exiting for a professional opportunity is no longer eligible for NCAA and that definition can not be given with the current rules.
Posted by geauxcoco
Greenville, SC
Member since Apr 2007
13246 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:28 am to
Thanks for your updates yesterday. Sankey is clearly in over his head on this. How is the SEC supposed to sue us or something that they can’t even clearly define themselves? What a circus.
Posted by bluestem75
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2007
5339 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:28 am to
The SEC also could not prove that these players were ineligible under their own rule (12.6).
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127694 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:30 am to
Thank you for an excellent synopsis of the issues addressed yesterday.
Posted by Naked Bootleg
Premium Plus® Member
Member since Jul 2021
3915 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:35 am to
How about this: if you signed an NFL contract, you are no longer an amateur and cannot go back to CFB.

So if a player was invited to minicamp or a tryout in UDFA status but didn't make a roster (requires a contract), they should still be eligible to play as an amateur. We shouldn't equate the 'contract' (see: waiver) required for minicamp attendance with a professional contract.
This post was edited on 9/4/26 at 8:49 am
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
26196 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:39 am to
quote:

No one has been able to define what a former professional player is.


The SEC members have defined by rule what the SEC considers a pro player. LSU voted for it, so they agree with it.

quote:

Member institutions are not permitted to have an athlete on their roster who has:

Declared for the NFL, NBA, or WNBA draft without properly withdrawing.

Signed a contract with an NFL, professional football league, NBA, NBA G-League, or WNBA team and their affiliates.

Been listed on an active roster for any of these professional leagues
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
67175 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:41 am to
quote:

So if a player was invited to minicamp or a tryout in UDFA status but didn't make a roster (requires a contract), they should still be eligible to play as an amateur. We shouldn't equate the 'contract' (see: waiver) required for minicamp attendance with a professional contract.

If the SEC had taken a stance like this yesterday, the outcome could have been much different. The issue, like unsure said, is they either gave no answer or multiple different answers. So how can they punish someone for violating a rule which has no clear definition of what constitutes a violation of the rule?

ETA: I see what the poster above said. If the rule is that clear, why did the SEC completely fail to offer that definition yesterday in court when asked?
This post was edited on 9/4/26 at 6:43 am
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
8993 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:41 am to
The NFL has a definitive definition of an NFL player. If you're on the roster week 1 of the NFL season. You're an NFL player. If so then the SEC would have a hard time proving different.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127694 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:41 am to
quote:

The SEC members have defined by rule what the SEC considers a pro player.
And their commissioner and their lawyers could not articulate this in a court of law. Good grief people
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32565 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:41 am to
quote:

No one has been able to define what a former professional player is.


If you're name was on a professional football roster and you were paid by that organization, you're probably a professional football player...

What is a woman?
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
35025 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:42 am to
quote:

Thanks for your updates yesterday. Sankey is clearly in over his head on this. How is the SEC supposed to sue us or something that they can’t even clearly define themselves? What a circus.


This is there problem. And the goalposts keep changing.

I just wonder if the SEC can actually put lsu to a vote as revenge for playing the 2 New players. If that's the case, isn't that sort of collusion?
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
110393 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:43 am to
quote:

How about this: if you signed an NFL contract, you are no longer an amateur and cannot go back to CFB.


Unfortunately, that doesn't work in this case because the players were not given the oppurtunity to stay in school and a lot would have if they had that choice. Sankey embarrassed everyone yesterday and no one was a winner. It is a fricking mess that the NCAA created and now here we are about to go into week 1 and this is the biggest storyline. It's absurd.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
35025 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:44 am to
quote:

So if a player was invited to minicamp or a tryout in UDFA status but didn't make a roster (requires a contract), they should still be eligible to play as an amateur. We shouldn't equate the 'contract' (see: waiver) required for minicamp attendance with a professional contrac


Harris got 190$ in gas money from the saints and got injured. So he should be able to play.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32565 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:44 am to
Once you lose amateur status...
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
35025 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:44 am to
quote:

Declared for the NFL, NBA, or WNBA draft without properly withdrawing.



Did the Texas player declare for the draft?
Posted by Gings5
Member since Jul 2016
11833 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:52 am to
Well stated. These are not professional athletes coming back to college like some on here want to make it out to be. They are college athletes who didn’t know they had another year of eligibility and didn’t make an NFL active roster.

The whole thing was severely mishandled by the SEC. Sankey admitting he didn’t read the 5 for 5 was hilarious and a fireable offense in itself. Dude is a complete moron.
Posted by RockyRococco
Jacksonville FL
Member since Aug 2021
1979 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:52 am to

pin this thread please
amazing shite OP thank you
Posted by UnsureTiger
Member since Apr 2023
168 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:56 am to
quote:

Once you lose amateur status...


They couldn't define amateur
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
11020 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:58 am to
quote:

Hopefully the new 5 for 5 age based rule will solve most of these problems,


Until some new local politician decides that the NCAA and Conferences cant have rules again
Posted by RockyRococco
Jacksonville FL
Member since Aug 2021
1979 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:59 am to
a player getting paid millions of dollars is an amateur... but a guy getting gas money is a professional. it's apples and oranges but it's all fruit. everyone is blaming the wrong three letters in LSU but it's NIL. alea iacta est
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