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re: The problem isn’t NIL. The problem is no forced player commitment to teams
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:58 pm to pankReb
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:58 pm to pankReb
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NFL has no say in endorsements.
pretty sure the Waltons can't offer their star players a 30 million dollar deal to be in Walmart commercials then pay them 1 million a year on the NFL books...
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:59 pm to prplhze2000
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In the private sector there are contracts and non compete clauses.
What's your point? Schools can offer those conditions in their contracts as well. They don't, because players wouldn't sign them. Just like the top players in the real world don't sign noncompetes (which are largely unenforcible anyway) and vast majority of contracts specify at-will employment.
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ethical coaches

All these people crying about the current state of college football should really go be fans of the Ivy League.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:05 pm to Chalkywhite84
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They need to put in one free transfer then you have to sit out a year for every transfer after unless you're a grad transfer
Who is "They" ? This is, seriously, what most of you miss.
The NCAA is, by every definition over the last 100 years of labor law, a monopoly. As such, they should be in the crosshairs of every legal force brought against them since they lost in court over trying to regulate all the Football Bowl contracts. The CFA was an obvious response.
All this "they". That flies in the face of reality. At best, you can scream and bitch that your particular conference should do something. Which will then be judged by whatever any other conference does in response.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:11 pm to ScoggDog
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And that's what it comes down you. You want the dopamine hit of "Jimmy Fast Shoes just committed to my favorite semi-pro team grafted onto a college campus !!!". But then you want to fire Coach Numb Nuts because he just ain't getting it done. Or Coach Great Play Sheet gets to move up. What it comes down to is all you College Football Fans want Indentured Players. But not Indentured Coaches
Preach
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:17 pm to RockyRococco
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pretty sure the Waltons can't offer their star players a 30 million dollar deal to be in Walmart commercials then pay them 1 million a year on the NFL books...
Wrong. So, so wrong.
I - as a business owner - do not need the NFLs permission on a single damn thing to employ any ball player. I - with enough cash - can employ Patrick to throw on his arse sideways into the banner on my used car lot - if I have the cash. I owe the NFL nothing as long as I don't have him in uniform.
Same with college.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:20 pm to pankReb
quote:Coaches have buy outs
Somehow the outrage isn’t equal when coaches jump ship for millions.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:24 pm to Diamondawg
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Coaches have buy outs
Dude ... its contract law now. Put the money in escrow for every kid you buy. Put in buy-outs. See how it works out.
You don't get it, because you don't want to get it. The money is, honestly, better in college football than the NFL - on a year to year basis. And you don't own the kids. Or the coaches - but you've always been fine with paying the coaches $10 million a year.
You don't own Jimmy Fast Shoes anymore. Shouldn't ever have.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:24 pm to prplhze2000
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No they don't change jobs in the real world all the time.
In the private sector there are contracts and non compete clauses.
In the real world, people do change jobs whenever they like for the most part. Young people in particular tend to change jobs very often.
Contracts are fine. Non compete clauses are also ok, if usually unenforceable in practice.
Scholarships are by the year or semester. That's the only contract these guys have signed that I'm aware of. Any college student can transfer to any other college if accepted so that's why we have the ruling causing immediate transfers. The whole selective enforcement part made it legally untenable.
Non compete clauses are tossed out constantly. If, and they usually don't, the company tries to actually enforce the clause after their employee has left for "reasons."
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:25 pm to InkStainedWretch
My big thing is that college football needs to rearrange its calendar for roster management and maximizing the product’s value. Those first round games counterprogrammed with NFL games had tepid viewership. I think you could have had Alabama @ Penn State and it’d still been in the low 4s instead of mid 3s. The NFL lords over sports viewership. Competing directly against it as little as possible is the only way to maximize the money required to pay these players in a sensible way.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:27 pm to ScoggDog
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None of this ... absolutely none ... makes any sense unless you want to bind every head coach, every assistant, and every positional coach to the same standard. And that's what it comes down you. You want the dopamine hit of "Jimmy Fast Shoes just committed to my favorite semi-pro team grafted onto a college campus !!!". But then you want to fire Coach Numb Nuts because he just ain't getting it done. Or Coach Great Play Sheet gets to move up. What it comes down to is all you College Football Fans want Indentured Players. But not Indentured Coaches
The NFL has robust anti-tampering and lockdown contracts with their coaches too. You have to request contact with an opposing team’s coach and there are windows and limitations on when you can do so. Head coach contracts are a straight up tradable asset and it has happened in the past. Notably Jon Gruden from the Raiders to Bucs.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:29 pm to ScoggDog
quote:Correct. This has all ruined college football and I have been saying it for as long as it's been around. I'm not trying to figure out what will work best because I don't care. Football will be ruled by the teams with the largest fan bases that care about sports and I've resigned myself to that fact.
You don't get it, because you don't want to get it.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:33 pm to Diego Ricardo
The NFL has robust anti-tampering and lockdown contracts with their coaches too. You have to request contact with an opposing team’s coach and there are windows and limitations on when you can do so. Head coach contracts are a straight up tradable asset and it has happened in the past. Notably Jon Gruden from the Raiders to Bucs.
Listen to me. Seriously. The NFL has all that - anti-tampering and lock-down and all the other shite - only because the players organized a union ... and then immediately bargained away shite that is otherwise just a basic right in as a free man in a market-place.
Seriously ... people should just stop - ABSOLUTELY STOP - crying in their beer about how the NCAA ballplayers ain't acting like NFL ballplayers.
The NCAA players are free. NFL players are stuck with a shitty contract negotiated by the NFLPA.
Now stop .... all you old Football Player Explainers ... with telling me how it works in the NFL. Seriously. You don't understand labor law.
Listen to me. Seriously. The NFL has all that - anti-tampering and lock-down and all the other shite - only because the players organized a union ... and then immediately bargained away shite that is otherwise just a basic right in as a free man in a market-place.
Seriously ... people should just stop - ABSOLUTELY STOP - crying in their beer about how the NCAA ballplayers ain't acting like NFL ballplayers.
The NCAA players are free. NFL players are stuck with a shitty contract negotiated by the NFLPA.
Now stop .... all you old Football Player Explainers ... with telling me how it works in the NFL. Seriously. You don't understand labor law.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:38 pm to tBrand
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people change jobs for money every day in the "real world".
Sorry you can’t compare real life jobs to a competitive sport where total life of contact is 5 yrs max. Yes as a home health nurse I can move from company to company until I develop a reputation of job hopping and no one wants to hire me but my leaving doesn’t negatively impact that company in the same way losing a top player from your school impacts your ability to be competitive. Also in the real world when larger companies such as LHC or Amedysis moves in the smaller companies often do close shop as they are unable to compete in the market OR they are bought out by larger companies.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:43 pm to ScoggDog
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Want to know how many Labor Law judges ever enforce one of these "non-compete" clauses, whenever it hits court ?
Non-compete clauses have been pretty much torched in the courts at this point, too.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:43 pm to InkStainedWretch
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You can’t selectively pull out the “they ought to be the same as other students”
Charging students tuition fees is what literally built all of the institutions.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:47 pm to jonnyanony
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Non-compete clauses have been pretty much torched in the courts at this point, too.
Back in the day ... as just an "engineer" making pretty much construction worker wages ? And we're talking in the 90s. Companies loved that shite ... it was a Boomer thing.
Never signed one. HR was a budding thing back in the day too. I got to walk up, more than once, and explain why I didn't "get with the program".
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:48 pm to ScoggDog
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Listen to me. Seriously. The NFL has all that - anti-tampering and lock-down and all the other shite - only because the players organized a union ... and then immediately bargained away shite that is otherwise just a basic right in as a free man in a market-place. Seriously ... people should just stop - ABSOLUTELY STOP - crying in their beer about how the NCAA ballplayers ain't acting like NFL ballplayers. The NCAA players are free. NFL players are stuck with a shitty contract negotiated by the NFLPA. Now stop .... all you old Football Player Explainers ... with telling me how it works in the NFL. Seriously. You don't understand labor law.
We found Mister Too Damn Free Market
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:53 pm to Diego Ricardo
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We found Mister Too Damn Free Market
It doesn't matter, how much you like College Football, or Great Amish Furniture.
You can't - simply can't - dictate rules arbitrarily as any institution holding a monopoly.
If anything - what we're seeing here is the Boomer Courts, for decades, ignoring simple Labor Law as always applies to the Big Three. And now, suddenly, the Supreme Court work up and realized that the multi-billion dollar business of College Football was demanding that everybody in labor satisfy themselves only with markers from the company stores.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:08 pm to ScoggDog
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It doesn't matter, how much you like College Football, or Great Amish Furniture.
You can't - simply can't - dictate rules arbitrarily as any institution holding a monopoly.
If anything - what we're seeing here is the Boomer Courts, for decades, ignoring simple Labor Law as always applies to the Big Three. And now, suddenly, the Supreme Court work up and realized that the multi-billion dollar business of College Football was demanding that everybody in labor satisfy themselves only with markers from the company stores.
My position is people say they want free markets but they always complain about the realities of a free market. I think most people really don't want free markets. They want a competitive framework that doesn't advantage certain parties too much while still cultivating innovation and fruitful enterprise. When people talk about strengthen our domestic economy for a litany of reasons, understand they are essentially talking about a broad intervention upon the market to make decisions that profit motivation alone would not.
I think the reason the NFL and others have good products are largely due to their very un-free nature of their internal markets. They do a good job of balancing the need to spread talent around while also allowing front offices to forecast their roster situation with strong contractual limitations on player movement. Finally, they compensate the players in a way that is fair lest there wouldn't be so many college athletes trying to make it to the NFL.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 4:07 pm to Diamondawg
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Football will be ruled by the teams with the largest fan bases that care about sports and I've resigned myself to that fact.
Did you come to this realization 5, 10, 20, or 30 years ago?
The majority of the Top 10 teams over the last few years have traditionally been Top 10 teams for a damned long time.
Are we really trying to pretend that the Ohio States of the world are only now becoming a dominant program?
The ONLY difference is now other schools might have a chance now that it’s in the open.
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