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re: The New Additions - Student Body Size

Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:21 pm to
Posted by CasualFan12
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:21 pm to
All kidding aside, it’s going to provide more interesting match ups. including that one
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 3:23 pm
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
10881 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:22 pm to
Maybe they will say “the heck with it” and apply for membership in the big 12. If they offer up enough money the big 12 might hold their noses and let them back in
Posted by CasualFan12
Member since Nov 2022
384 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:23 pm to
They could make Cincinnati their new rival!
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
10881 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:54 pm to
That’s sounds good. And there’s TCU too. They might actually win a game every 5 years or so. They should do it.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
8125 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:36 pm to
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Looks like we got another tshirt fan.

Why do you think that T-Shirt fans exist at any school or for any team?


PS: I have the piece of paper you douchebag. No, I’m not going to show you, and no, I don’t care if you believe me. To your original point, yes I should have worded my initial statement more clearly to accurately paint the picture that the campus is landlocked. My bad. Feel better douchebag? Now kindly get bent.
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
10282 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:42 pm to
tu can only grow up, not sideways anymore, which I think it means they are stuck unless they buy something close to that campus.

Would you guys happen to know if Austin limits how high buildings can be? I read a news article this year about how a building in downtown Austin wasn’t approved to be built that would have been the tallest building in the state if it was.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
8125 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:55 pm to
Not sure on building codes.. but I personally would hate to grow taller just to accommodate more students. I have read that we would like to keep the number around 50k though, but I have no idea if that is accurate or not.

The state of Texas needs another public school to step up their game. I have heard really good things about UTD lately. Tech is getting better, but still has a long way to go and it’s in BFE.
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
2531 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:14 pm to
You can simply do what NYU and other universities do and rent/buy commercial properties in the area… y’all have all the money you need… but why.. I imagine your administration has a long term plan on the benefits of numbers versus quality…

Others choose different paths…
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:18 pm to
UTD is easily the 3rd best public option in Texas.

I've floated this idea before, but I'd like to see UTD spun off into a 3rd flagship university under its own independent board. Named something to the effect if Texas Institute of Technology (unintentionally awesome abbreviation aside) and focus heavily on engineering and technology like MIT and CalTech.

As long as it's part of the UT system it will always play second fiddle to Austin. If UTD is going to really eatablish itself as a well known tier 1 university, it needs it's own identity.
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
10282 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:26 pm to
Everyone is growing. This month alone I been reading about A&M’s new Fort Worth campus, I think it’s going to be medical related? Tech and U of Houston might get and share a $1 billion endowment

quote:

Texas Tech, Houston hope for ‘transformative’ $1B endowments in governor’s budget


Everyone needs to do their part to accommodate all the babies in Texas go to college. Some dudes in here just trying to take shots at Texas schools when their own babies come to our state for school and work all the time, and we don’t hate.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
8125 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:27 pm to
It can go both ways.. Berkeley and UCLA both have their own identity and flourish in the same system.. but I could get behind your idea as well. The problem with your idea is the PUF.. and greed wins every time.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
6466 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:58 pm to
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The campus is landlocked (40 acres) and therefore it isn’t possible to grow much beyond that number.


The campus is only 40 acres? I guess not everything is bigger in Texas. Did y'all get a mule to go with all that land?
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
10282 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:11 pm to
By comparison, A&M is over 5,500 acres and accommodates about 10k more students. It really is city feel vs college town when Texas kids decide between the 2.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54687 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:18 pm to
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They could make Cincinnati their new rival!


Rival for what

UC is one of the largest universities in the nation. Back in the 80's they were like 45K and all on 1 very large block. My understanding they have added land and grown but still limited land but still a massive population university. Probably should have been in the B1G ages ago but BuckNuts was too scared to let that ever happen.
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
10282 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:21 pm to
Isn’t the size of every college limited by whatever land was donated for them from the get go? I haven’t been to many SEC schools, but which actually has the potential to grow and is inventing on their main campus like they are their sports. I read Arkansas has had impressive growth lately
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 7:22 pm
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:23 pm to
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It can go both ways.. Berkeley and UCLA both have their own identity and flourish in the same system.. but I could get behind your idea as well. The problem with your idea is the PUF.. and greed wins every time.


The problem with the Cali model in Texas is they have a clearly stratified hierarchy of state university systems.

UC system runs the tier one schools. Cal State system runs the tier 2 schools.

Texas has taken an alternate path to have lots of independent systems, and rely on the systems to each produce one tier one flagship campus. And only two systems are entitled to the PUF money. Administratively, it's an asinine setup, but a century of loyalties and sport fandom will prevent Texas from reorganizing higher education any other way.

Ideally, if I could wave a magic wand I would copy the Cali system. Put UT-Austin, A&M-CS, and UTD into a single system with full control over the PUF. And add a few other campuses that make sense based on school quality and geography to fill the system out statewide with a goal to bring their standards and reputatuon up to to level of the others ASAP.

Off the top of my head:

UT-Austin
A&M-CS
UT-D
A&M-Corpus Christi
UTEP

Would cover the state and its population centers pretty well. Would relieve a ton of pressure on UT and A&M, and give good options for top students all over the state, and solve all the inter-system bickering over the PUF having it all together. And set Texas up for really well for continued future growth.

Roll the leftover UT and A&M branch campuses into other systems based on geography, gove them to TTU, TSU, UH, UNT, etc. Let those sytems be the tier two options.

But we all know the chances of that ever happening in Texas are worse than 0%.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54687 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:25 pm to
No, Oklahoma has a massive footprint and not all was the original land

Kentucky (University of) is one of the Top 5 largest landholders in the state and contains massive coal and timber holdings that everybody fights about all the time over leaving them as is or caring in.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64622 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:25 pm to
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I was surprised, however, to see that Oklahoma will be the second SMALLEST school, after Vandy. Basically a junior college.

The population of Oklahoma is comparable to MS. Why should it surprise you they have a small student body?
Posted by Oxford Ways
Member since Jun 2015
4335 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:30 pm to
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Isn’t the size of every college limited by whatever land was donated for them from the get go?


We bought land across our main highway a couple years back to build a new rec center. There's still some land in that area the school may invest for dorms or whatnot down the road.
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
10282 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:37 pm to
It’s just really small compared to what we are used to in Texas. There is probably like 8 schools in Texas over 35k, horn, A&M, Houston, Tech, North Texas, Texas State, we even have a handful of junior colleges over 30k like El Paso Community College.

Why do you guys hate on big schools? So you guys hate every school in Texas but horn? Very petty lol
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