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re: The NCAA should allow pay for play
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:42 am to Sancho Panza
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:42 am to Sancho Panza
I just don’t understand why everyone has to get paid. Why can’t only players people want to pay get paid?
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:43 am to TigerOnTheMountain
Well if he’s being paid for his likeness and not by the school whoever is paying him can just terminate the relationship and sponsorship. What’s the big deal?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:44 am to WithaRebelYell
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The only way to get around tittle 9 is to give them a percentage of jersey sales.
How big do you think this sum of money is?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:44 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I just don’t understand why everyone has to get paid. Why can’t only players people want to pay get paid?
You really don't understand what Title IX is
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:46 am to civiltiger07
Could Title IX dictate private, individual sponsorships given to a single player?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:46 am to AUstar
Heh.
What about the dynamic within a team? You get chicken feed while that other A-Hole is making bank?
Or a strike before the big game for more money.
You'd basically have to implement some version of the NFL in college to make this work.
God... can you imagine High School players with agents? Sure, sure, they got amateur agents now. But full blown lawyers?
What about the dynamic within a team? You get chicken feed while that other A-Hole is making bank?
Or a strike before the big game for more money.
You'd basically have to implement some version of the NFL in college to make this work.
God... can you imagine High School players with agents? Sure, sure, they got amateur agents now. But full blown lawyers?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:01 am to DonaldDuckworth
Paying players is such a slippery slope. Agree with all your points...and the ramifications could cause a trickle down affect that would wreck collegiate sports.
As an ex-college baseball player, I was in the camp of getting paid for your likeness. You want to go out and get an endorsement? You want to get paid for an ad? Go ahead! But then it's more about your brand than team and why not capitalize now when you don't know what will happen in the future (do you make it to the league?) The me culture would be exemplified more than ever.
College tuition will burst like the housing market at some point. From the stipends and scholarships, football players especially are getting a good ticket. But their revenue does so much for the other sports. When that dries up, the decisions will really get tough about keeping this sport or that sport, etc. etc.
I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of fund received if you finished your college career in 4-5 years while playing sports. If you've left before then, you've either already made the money by getting drafted/signed, or you left chasing it--but that's your choice.
As an ex-college baseball player, I was in the camp of getting paid for your likeness. You want to go out and get an endorsement? You want to get paid for an ad? Go ahead! But then it's more about your brand than team and why not capitalize now when you don't know what will happen in the future (do you make it to the league?) The me culture would be exemplified more than ever.
College tuition will burst like the housing market at some point. From the stipends and scholarships, football players especially are getting a good ticket. But their revenue does so much for the other sports. When that dries up, the decisions will really get tough about keeping this sport or that sport, etc. etc.
I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of fund received if you finished your college career in 4-5 years while playing sports. If you've left before then, you've either already made the money by getting drafted/signed, or you left chasing it--but that's your choice.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:03 am to ManBearSharkReb
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The NCAA should allow pay for play
Stupid idea, would break all the smaller universities and colleges and LSU.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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private, individual sponsorships given to a single player?
of course not, but that isn't what "pay for play" is
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:04 am to ManBearSharkReb
Most ADs struggle, it's very few that actually run a profit after overhead, it is all out there, why is it so hard for people to comprehend.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:05 am to UFMatt
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Stupid idea, would break all the smaller universities and colleges and LSU.
shiny hook
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 8:06 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:05 am to CivilTiger83
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Its a distinction without a difference... "Mr. star recruit, if you come here we have alumni that will pledge $500k to purchase your merchandise and will provide you will all of the profits."
Valid point
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:08 am to ManBearSharkReb
Go ahead pay them, but it's only fair to make them pay for the benefits they receive from the university at that point. Probably all becomes a wash or either costs them more than what they make.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:10 am to FlatwoodsForester
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Go ahead pay them, but it's only fair to make them pay for the benefits they receive from the university at that point. Probably all becomes a wash or either costs them more than what they make.
What's going to happen is they are going to let them get paid, per California law, but then the NCAA is going to rule them ineligible. The Cali lawmakers can throw a hissy fit about that all they want, but the NCAA doesn't have to adhere to their state laws.
ETA: I should say Cali state law doesn't circumvent the NCAA's rules. Just like weed is legal is X number of states, but the NFL still tests and suspends players for it.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 8:16 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:11 am to kmdawg17
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If a college player can sign a shirt and make $500...let him.
Therein lies the rub
Most of you on here are young and do not remember the point shaving scandals of the 1950's. The main (often not published) reason for the NCAA is players vs organized crime (tho most of their press is about schools and impermissible benefits). If a player can sign a shirt for 500 bucks you are allowing a hole in the dam for criminal folks to get through as it puts cash out there with untraceable (or hard to trace) roots that is almost impossible to monitor.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:17 am to ManBearSharkReb
Everyone will follow what California is doing and better do something before 2023, or getting players away from a California school may be difficult.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:13 pm to LanierSpots
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You forgot medical attention.
I actually said access to hospitals, a lot of people don't realize how much money that costs, either. And what happens if you're injured and can't play? Well, the school finds you a job/connections.
Very few jobs tell employees: "Hey, if you underperform or get hurt, don't worry -- we'll figure out a way to make sure you always have work."
I literally can't even think what the numbers must be, let's go with a QB.
Not hours, not days, years with Dan Mullen. I'm guessing Mullen might cut a break on private QB lessons and let's just go ahead and say it's 3 million dollars for private lessons (for the year). I know, this is low, but just for posterity's sake.
4 years: 12 million dollars.
Nick Savage, our S&C Coach is probably one of the better ones in the country, let's say it's considerably less and that he charges per year around 200,000.
4 years: 800,000
Nutritionist?
4 years: 10,400 (Once a week)
Medical?
4 years: Unquantifiable, could be thousands to millions. We'll say 800,000.
Facilities?
4 years: 400,000. (Most training camps cost a lot more.)
Scholarship/Room/Board?
4 years: Even taking extreme cuts -- it's about a million.
Connections to NFL?
4 years: We'll say 4 million over four years.
So, all in all, a QB attending Florida is making roughly the equivalent of:
4.5 Million dollars a year.
They are not getting paid directly, but they are heavily, heavily compensated for their work. If they weren't, no one would play college football lol.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:21 pm to FlatwoodsForester
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Go ahead pay them, but it's only fair to make them pay for the benefits they receive from the university at that point. Probably all becomes a wash or either costs them more than what they make.
All schools will ensure that it equates to zero. Every single time.
I worked at an Arms Dealership for free, but was shown the ropes around manufacturing and handling -- so it wasn't free. I received connections (which are very difficult to "price" regarding value, we'll say it's a lot) and of course hands on knowledge from experts.
Compensation =/= Unpaid. It is a payment, and people from the outside looking in simply don't understand what the life of a college football player at a major institution is receiving.
Including 100 dollar handshakes.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:24 pm to civiltiger07
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shiny hook
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:43 pm to ManBearSharkReb
Treat it like basketball or baseball.
Let professional football take players straight out of high school. The truly elites will make it, the sub-elites can play in the XFL or another minor league, and those that need more development will play college football. Whatever tier in which you fall (or choose to fall) will determine if you can get paid.
That is about the only thing that will solve this issue.
Let professional football take players straight out of high school. The truly elites will make it, the sub-elites can play in the XFL or another minor league, and those that need more development will play college football. Whatever tier in which you fall (or choose to fall) will determine if you can get paid.
That is about the only thing that will solve this issue.
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