re: The cringiest message board post you’ll read all week

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God's sovereignty absolutely does mean He is in ultimate control of all things on earth and in heaven.

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Being in ultimate control does not mean actively causing all things to happen.

God doesn’t care about whether your football team wins or not.

I’d be willing to guess he cares even less about such a trivial prayer as well.

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Being in ultimate control does not mean actively causing all things to happen.

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Yes, it does!

How do we know that God always controls everything? My answer is that we know this because the Bible teaches it. It teaches it by direct statements and by clear and sufficient implication. Let me give you five clusters of texts or kinds of texts.

First, God works all things according to his will. Here’s Ephesians 1:11:

“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”

Let me say it again. He works all things according to the counsel of his will. I think that means He always controls everything. There’s my answer.

I could just stop here now, but there's more Scriptural evidence and declarations of God's absolute sovereignty over all and that He's involved in everything, including not allowing a sparrow to fall to the ground without His approval.

"Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father." -- Matthew 10:29, Jesus Christ speaking

God is over ALL.

Proverbs 16:9 says, “The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes His steps.” Just a general statement.

Proverbs 20:24 reads, “A man’s steps are from the Lord; how then can man understand his way?” A general statement about all his steps.

Proverbs 16:33: “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.” Human beings decide all kinds of ways to make a decision. They try rolling dice, and they draw lots, and they put out pieces of cloth on the ground — whatever. The point here is whatever means they use, it’s going to be God’s will in the end. Every decision is from the Lord.

Proverbs 19:21: “Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.” Whatever humans anywhere in the world are planning and doing, what stands is God’s will.

Jeremiah 10:23: “I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.”

All of those passages sweepingly say that everything that human beings do is, in the end, the will of God.

I'll stop here, but from Genesis to Revelation, it's more than clear that God is Creator, the Author of Life, the Originator, the Alpha and the Omega, the Great I AM!, Jesus Christ!

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God is sovereign over all things. Jesus says that even the hairs of our head are numbered by God (Matt. 10) to point out that God cares about even the little things.

"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" -Ephesians 1:11

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GOD DOES NOT CARE IF CLEMSON WINS AT FOOTBALL DUDE!


Do you not understand the sin of pride? Look it up and relearn it and apply it to this thread.


Hell, half the high schools who cheat to win at high school football in this country have a bunch of prideful fake Christians doing the dirt work

so you believe in "predestination" and you reject freewill




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it's weird how people reject freewill, but they embrace grace


freewill and grace belong together


God cleansing me of my bad choices is a testament to His greatness

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That absolutely does not say that God causes all things to happen. It says regardless of what happens, God uses it to advance his will - just as it does in Romans 8.

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thank you

my brother

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do you pray for the safety of Palestinian and Syrian and Lebanese women and children and elderly to not be blown to smitherines by Israeli bombs, purchased from "America" by American money?, i.e., the military industrial complex

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Not usually because that rarely comes to mind, but not because of some principled stance towards Israel or against Muslims, as if they aren't made in the image of God like the rest of us.

Contrary to what you might think, I'm not a zionist. I'm a Reformed Presbyterian that admires Israel secularly as a nation only for the fortitude it takes to protect their people in the middle of a region where everyone wants to kill them. I'm not a pre-mil dispensationalist that looks forward to the blasphemy of rebuilding of the temple or anything like that.

I pray for all people--even those in Jewish and Muslim lands--to receive the gospel of Jesus Christ and be saved.

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Because fake Christians never pray for that

Real Christians do though

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That's quite the broad brush you're painting with. All Christians are sinners and no one has perfect theology this side of heaven.

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Fake Christians pray for John Hagee to only gain 13 pounds when he eats 38 pounds of fried chicken before bellowing before his mega crowd of so called "church"

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I actually agree with this sentiment, though I'm not a fan of the term "fake Christian", as if every Christian that sins or is inconsistent with their theology is somehow "fake". There are those in the visible church of Christ (all those who profess faith in Jesus) and those in the invisible church (all of God's elect, those who have gone to glory, those who are living today, and those yet to be born), and I don't presume to know who is in the invisible church, but I do know not everyone who professes the name of Christ is saved.

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so you believe in "predestination" and you reject freewill

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Every Christian believes in some form of predestination. They just differ on how God predetermines things: does God actively and sovereignly choose what will come to pass or does He learn new information to see what others will do, reacting passively in response to His creation?

I believe the scriptures consistently teach that man does have the freedom to choose according to what his will desires, but that due to the fall of Adam, all people desire sin and idolatry rather than obedience and faithfulness towards God, and that God sovereignly and graciously saves a people for Himself in spite of their rebellion.

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I hope God strikes their team bus down

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Now we are talkin'.

What cracks me up is that if those Clemson players weren't Clemson football players and were just regular people then they'd be "woke" black people or whatever and would be loathed by these same people who are praying for their well being.

Second of all. Why do Christians invest time, energy and money on a frivolous pursuit like college football. They could be spending that time saving souls or feeding the poor or something.

Finally, if God controls "everything" and everything happens according to his "will"...including the outcome of football games. Then that also must mean that God wants Brandon to be the prez.

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GOD DOES NOT CARE IF CLEMSON WINS AT FOOTBALL DUDE!


Do you not understand the sin of pride? Look it up and relearn it and apply it to this thread.


Hell, half the high schools who cheat to win at high school football in this country have a bunch of prideful fake Christians doing the dirt work

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Man, glad you know what God cares about. I mean, he will probably strike that poster down with great vengeance for even thinking about that prayer. Fuggin maroon.

shite, everybody today is a “fake” Christian, ehh? I mean, if they ain’t JC they’re FAKE!!!1!