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re: The BIG 10 is destroying itself, geographically.

Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16341 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:25 pm to
It’s the long game. Kill the competition til you get the teams to form the new top college football league. Once the league is formed it can be drawn up to fit the geographical requirements
Posted by RunningJacket
Member since Dec 2008
258 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:30 pm to
As a southerner and ACC guy I can easily admit that the SEC has been masterful on the football field and in the boardroom. They owned the last few decades on both the athletic and business side. BUT, their view of regionalism is going to bite them due to the sport being taken over by TV execs. The paradigm shifted and the SEC has been slow to respond and are now boxed in. The BIG is absolutely going to come into the south with several viable options. Whereas, the SEC has very few options left anywhere else. In 10 years from now the BIG will be in Miami, Atlanta, South Carolina, South Bend, North Carolina, and Virginia. The SEC’s only move at this point is to play defense but their own fanbases have such a “local” mindset that USCe will freak out if the SEC offered Clemson and UGA if they offer GT, etc.

But the BIG sees the future more clearly of 4 five team conference pods. Keeps the money in house and lowers travel all while they cover all major TV markets and from coast to coast. This plan would never have worked under the old system but with TV execs now running the sport that is ALL that matters. Now, when states start banning football then of course the paradigm will shift again.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3273 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:32 pm to
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Like a lot of conferences, the Big 10 was caught flat footed when the SEC added Oklahoma and Texas.
They both applied to the B1G but were denied. Texas alone would have been accepted but they would not come without Oklahoma.

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Suddenly the SEC has 7 of the top 10 programs in revenue.
Even if true which I doubt, most of them will lose value because of how the SEC is a regional setup. This would be less likely in a league like the B1G which is spread out.
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They didn't add USC and Oregon because of the time zone, they added them despite it. It's a liability but they're banking on it being worth it and they had to do *something* after getting surprised like that.
You are correct that the timeline had nothing to do with it and it was the brands. Based on TV revenue, the B1G banked right.
The B1G would have expanded regardless of UT and OU, but it may have sped things up. No one at the time knew if the SEC was interested in the West Coast or not.
Posted by TideFaninFl
On the space coast
Member since Oct 2017
6654 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:45 pm to
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They both applied to the B1G but were denied. Texas alone would have been accepted but they would not come without Oklahoma.


Doubt that statement

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Even if true which I doubt, most of them will lose value because of how the SEC is a regional setup. This would be less likely in a league like the B1G which is spread out.


The Big 10 will make a lot of money, but because of the setup will cause most of the BT Athletic Departments to struggle. The SEC will continue to win titles and make just about as much money per school.

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You are correct that the timeline had nothing to do with it and it was the brands. Based on TV revenue, the B1G banked right.
The B1G would have expanded regardless of UT and OU, but it may have sped things up. No one at the time knew if the SEC was interested in the West Coast or not.


The Big 10 has made itself a conference that the SEC will dominates on the field and the courts (but then the SEC does that already) Enjoy counting your money as you watch the SEC win title after title after title.

Just for fun, name the teams and the years for the last 4 titles in the big 3 sports that the Big Ten won

Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10326 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:52 pm to
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They both applied to the B1G but were denied. 


Started Christmas drinking early I see.
Posted by TideFaninFl
On the space coast
Member since Oct 2017
6654 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:53 pm to
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Whereas, the SEC has very few options left anywhere else. In 10 years from now the BIG will be in Miami, Atlanta, South Carolina, South Bend, North Carolina, and Virginia. The SEC’s only move at this point is to play defense but their own fanbases have such a “local” mindset that USCe will freak out if the SEC offered Clemson and UGA if they offer GT, etc



The SEC owns most of the states that are football crazy. The Big Ten can come into the cities and have the weaker schools in sports but the cites are more pro sports anyway.

IF the Big Ten is dumb enough to try then that conference is on borrowed time. The athletic departments that make money break away.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91194 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:02 pm to
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The SEC has dug a hole that they cannot dig out of unless they swallow their regional pride and add Big 12 schools.


There are no big12 schools left of any value to the SEC

At some point you’re adding more schools to split the pot with that don’t bring enough to the table on top of added traveling expenses for non revenue generating sports.

Throw in politics where you have woke liberal west coast schools and conservative middle America schools all trying to compete for power in one conference and you’re asking for a mess. The SEC is doing it right and we will be fine.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3273 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:19 pm to
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There are no big12 schools left of any value to the SEC
Exactly. There is no one left outside of your footprint that can help/save you. The B1G is tightening its grip like a python on the SEC similar to how the North blockaded the South in the Civil War.
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At some point you’re adding more schools to split the pot with that don’t bring enough to the table on top of added traveling expenses for non revenue generating sports.
So far all of the B1G's additions have added to the pot will the potential for even more soon. Non-revenue sports will be OK.

Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10326 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:24 pm to
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save you


There's no way you believe this shite
Posted by 24chevrolet48
Beat Street
Member since Aug 2006
1647 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:33 pm to
Big 10 could add FSU ,Clemson , and couple of Northern ACC schools

If the SEC adds anyone it should absolutely be tradition filled Basketball schools. UNC, Duke, NCState, and Virginia. No More Football Powerhouse schools for the SEC.

The Big 10 Needs some legitimate Football Competition , adding U of Washington & Southern California and Oregon doesn’t compare to adding FSU & Clemson and Miami in my opinion.



Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91194 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:34 pm to
The fact is the SEC will still put a better product on the field and win championships because we have more local talent to recruit from.

Getting all this TV money isn’t going to make the B1G suddenly start winning more. If money alone solved such issues Texas A&M would have won a championship by now

Just look at current recruiting rankings for each conference. Including next years additions the SEC has 13 of 16 teams with a top 25 class. B1G has 7 in the top 25. Of those 5 SEC teams are top 10 while only 2 B1G teams (OSU and Oregon) are.

The mighty Michigan and Penn State programs barely crack top 15. Iowa, who played in your championship game has a worse recruiting class than Mississippi State. Several B1G teams recruit worse than Vanderbilt.

This is why you continually get your arse beat in the playoffs. B1G is a farce, they simply don’t have the talent top to bottom and never will because the best players are in the south and don’t want to go live and play in the cold miserable upper midwest
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35691 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:52 pm to
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If money alone solved such issues Texas A&M would have won a championship by now


A lesson Auburn is about to learn. Giving incoming players a huge pile of cash before they've done a thing on the field is a surefire way to wreck the chemistry in the locker room.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35691 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:55 pm to
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doesn’t compare to adding FSU & Clemson and Miami in my opinion


FSU just had a unicorn season compared to their recent history. Miami has been a brokern program for some time and Clemson hasn't been the same since Venables left. Right now the three are a wash at best against FSU, Clemson and Miami and this year are an upgrade compared to them. If USC ever remembers how to play defense they'll easily surpass those you listed because believe it or not California is a talent rich state.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3273 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:21 pm to
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There's no way you believe this shite
Reality does not matter what any of us think. The B1G is built better for the future and the networks will enrich them for it. Soon athletes will be employees of the schools and players will follow the money, which the B1G will have way more than anyone.

The economic battle between the B1G and SEC will end up in textbooks.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10326 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:26 pm to
You're incredibly dumb.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3273 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:28 pm to
A lot to absorb in your post but players will follow the money and that is when the B1G will take over. The SEC is stuck with a TV deal with a TV partner who has seen better times and is in decline. The SEC is stuck in one region with no one left that they can add for revenue. Adding Texas added no revenue for the SEC because the SEC was already in Texas. Adding Florida State and Clemson will not add any revenue to the SEC because you are already in those states. UNC and UVa will make more money in the B1G in academics than they will with athletics in the SEC.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10326 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:32 pm to
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Adding Texas added no revenue for the SEC because the SEC was already in Texas.


You understand how fricking stupid this sentence is, right?
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3273 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:04 pm to
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You're incredibly dumb
Maybe you should remove yourself from the conversation if it makes you come unhinged and rude. It is not my fault how things turned out. If you do not like it, take it up with Sankey and not me. I did not do it.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3273 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:11 pm to
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The SEC owns most of the states that are football crazy. The Big Ten can come into the cities and have the weaker schools in sports but the cites are more pro sports anyway.
There is no difference between the Midwest and the south in their love of college football. A hundred thousand standing in the cold in cold weather proves that. Outside of GA Tech, the ACC schools are not in major cities.
Posted by GTnerd
ATL Jawja baby
Member since Sep 2023
363 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:27 pm to
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. Outside of GA Tech, the ACC schools are not in major cities.


Pitt, Miami, BC
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